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re: John Kerry: Russia has until Monday to reverse course in Ukraine(update pg1)
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:31 pm to Michael T. Tiger
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:31 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Our nation's "leaders" are too retarded to do anything
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Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:32 pm to dante
Yes I'm sure Putin is shitting in his pants right about now. 
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:38 pm to dante
What is Kerry gonna do? Sign Putin's e-mail address up for spam mail?
Obama and Kerry have absolutely zero clue how to interact internationally.
They need to just shut the frick up and act, or simply shut the frick up.
Obama and Kerry have absolutely zero clue how to interact internationally.
They need to just shut the frick up and act, or simply shut the frick up.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:39 pm to dante
Here's how I see it. During the Cold War, every President deferred to Russia's de facto Monroe doctrine in the Eastern hemisphere, in return for them respecting ours in the Western hemisphere. Some time between the collapse of the Soviet Union and 9/11, it seems that a presumption began to take root in Washington that America's Monroe doctrine had expanded to encompass the entire globe. Perhaps the fact that W's Iraq war went unchecked despite intense world-wide opposition contributed to this mindset. What I think is happening now is that Putin is letting the U.S. know that the old rules still apply, and the neocons and American nationalists are having a hard time accepting it.
EDIT: I think the threatening Putin publicly makes it more likely that he will dig in, and cause the Russian people to rally behind him. If there is any chance that he might reverse course, he had to be presented with some type of offer that allowed him to save face. Americans seem to have a hard time understanding that other countries are just as nationalistic as we are.
EDIT: I think the threatening Putin publicly makes it more likely that he will dig in, and cause the Russian people to rally behind him. If there is any chance that he might reverse course, he had to be presented with some type of offer that allowed him to save face. Americans seem to have a hard time understanding that other countries are just as nationalistic as we are.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:40 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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punishing Russia with sanctions for its intervention in Ukraine, saying such measures could lead to a dangerous chain reaction that would be difficult to control.
Could this be leading to the War of Gog and Magog?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:40 pm to trackfan
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Perhaps the fact that W's Iraq war went unchecked despite intense world-wide opposition
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neocons and American nationalists are having a hard time accepting it.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:41 pm to dante
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:41 pm to dante
This administration is such an embarrassment in every possible way.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:42 pm to trackfan
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What I think is happening now is that Putin is letting the U.S. know that the old rules still apply, and the neocons and American nationalists are having a hard time accepting it.
Here is where you lose me. Lots of dems I have spoken with want us to act and our current administration has drawn "lines in the sand". Are they neocons?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:43 pm to davesdawgs
quote:It actually isn't interesting at all because we all know how it is going to play out.
Going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
Nothing will happen.
This will play out like all of this administration's previous international efforts.
1. Obama draws line in sand
2. Russia crosses it
3. Obama draws another line in sand
4. Russia crosses it
5. Obama does nothing
I, personally, want Obama and Kerry to just shut their yappers.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:43 pm to davesdawgs
quote:That is a very interesting article. It really is an extremely complicated situation. I bet Putin is just laughing at Kerry and Obama's deadlines.
Going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Just how dependent is Europe on Russian natural gas? CNN Money puts it in perspective: LINK
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:43 pm to trackfan
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Perhaps the fact that W's Iraq war went unchecked despite intense world-wide opposition contributed to this mindset.
never failsPosted on 3/13/14 at 2:44 pm to Tiguar
Kerry: "Mr Putin, when y'all gonna leave Crimea?"
Vlad: "Oh, Sunday night. We've accomplished our military objective."
Kerry: "Ok. Hey, Media, c'mere...."
Vlad: "Oh, Sunday night. We've accomplished our military objective."
Kerry: "Ok. Hey, Media, c'mere...."
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:47 pm to Tiguar
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Here is where you lose me. Lots of dems I have spoken with want us to act and our current administration has drawn "lines in the sand". Are they neocons?
Obama is a neocon lite, and the Democratic party is almost as infested with neocons as the Republicans. Also, don't forget that both Kerry and Hillary voted for the Iraq war.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:48 pm to trackfan
Alright, cool. Just I seem to always associate "neocon" with "Republican"- perhaps I have been indoctrinated
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:52 pm to trackfan
quote:So, if the Democratic Party is infested with neocons, why are they called neocons?
the Democratic party is almost as infested with neocons as the Republicans.
What I'm asking is, who was the first neocon in order to have all warmongers labeled as such?
I'm genuinely curious.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 2:55 pm to Scruffy
quote:I don't know what the right answer is for Ukraine. I just wish they would quit making empty threats.
Obama and Kerry have absolutely zero clue how to interact internationally. They need to just shut the frick up and act, or simply shut the frick up.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 3:06 pm to trackfan
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Here's how I see it. During the Cold War, every President deferred to Russia's de facto Monroe doctrine in the Eastern hemisphere, in return for them respecting ours in the Western hemisphere.
Huh?
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Some time between the collapse of the Soviet Union and 9/11, it seems that a presumption began to take root in Washington that America's Monroe doctrine had expanded to encompass the entire globe.
Pretty sure the US was pretty involved globally through the entire period you reference.
What in the frick are you talking about?
Posted on 3/13/14 at 3:10 pm to trackfan
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trackfan
I think your comments here make complete sense.
Posted on 3/13/14 at 3:13 pm to USMCTiger03
The graying bear is getting a make-over. Russia's military is launching its biggest rearmament effort since Soviet times, including a $650 billion program to procure 1,000 new helicopters, 600 combat planes, 100 warships, and 8 nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines...
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