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re: Joe Rogan is concerned about the "innocent gay hairdressers - lumped up with the gangs."
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:31 am to Upperdecker
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:31 am to Upperdecker
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If we ship them there on a deal to put them in that specific prison, we are imprisoning them. We’re likely giving them money for each criminal we put in there too
OK, let's say there was no deal in place. Is the outcome any different? No, they would still be in prison.
Let's say the country is different. Pick any country in the world. We drop that plane load off, what happens to them? Prison or walking free in their new location?
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Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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refugees are illegals
Wrong in every way.
not really - if someone is claiming asylum; aren't they supposed to do it in the 1st country they come to?
to be a refugee; is that not because you are seeking safety/protection?
so; unless they are from Canada or Mexico, they have zero business being here in the USA
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:this is the same question that I have
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That said, he showed up and said "I need asylum", he's from Venezuela.
How many other countries did he pass through before he got to the United States?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:46 am to Neutral Underground
I would not be surprised if the Trump administration were to leak that they "accidentally" sent an non-gang member illegal to El Salvador. Then they can say, if you are here illegal you might end up in an El Salvador jail. Just self deport and save yourself the hassle.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Do you know what the case and/or evidence is against them?
People are stating that they are being deported for "speech" or "editorials" when the public does not know the evidence. Perhaps they are. Perhaps there is evidence they are terrorists.
Of course, I don't KNOW the evidence against them. Given the Administration's emphasis on a marketing campaign (of which I approve) when it comes to rounding up dangerous people, if there were anything more substantial it would have been trumpeted by now. My assumption (which could be wrong) is that we would have seen ANY evidence of terrorist activity if it existed.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:51 am to Mike Honcho
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would not be surprised if the Trump administration were to leak that they "accidentally" sent an non-gang member illegal to El Salvador. Then they can say, if you are here illegal you might end up in an El Salvador jail. Just self deport and save yourself the hassle.
That's certainly a possibility. Good point.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:51 am to IvoryBillMatt
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if there were anything more substantial it would have been trumpeted by now. My assumption (which could be wrong) is that we would have seen ANY evidence of terrorist activity if it existed.
Exactly. You don't know and are just guessing.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 9:56 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Exactly. You don't know and are just guessing.
Do you KNOW they are terrorists? Limiting it to Ozturk because I have spent more time researching her case, I'm very confident in my speculation.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 10:06 am to Upperdecker
quote:we 100% paid to have them housed at that prison
We’re likely giving them money for each criminal we put in there too
I have mixed feelings about this; on the one hand I LOVE seeing the gang members sent there…
but I hate seeing someone like the hairdresser thrown in
I can tell you this, I lean towards being ok with the collateral damage and I am FAR more outraged about how the Biden administration treated J6 people
I know that 2 wrongs don’t make a right; but I still want to see a lot more planes taking illegals to CECOT & worry about the repercussions later
Posted on 3/31/25 at 10:25 am to Upperdecker
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We should use it as a deterrent for the worst US criminals as well, as an option when life in prison is the sentence
Use WHAT as a deterrent for domestic criminals?
Posted on 3/31/25 at 10:47 am to IvoryBillMatt
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but, both Ozturk and Khalil entered legally.
I still think that people who enter legally need to understand that they must behave when they are here. And protesting is not behaving. Let American citizens do the protesting and the deciding; as a guest, they should shut up and behave.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:03 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Do you KNOW they are terrorists? Limiting it to Ozturk because I have spent more time researching her case, I'm very confident in my speculation.
No I don't. There are thousands of people arrested or deported every day and I don't know all of the facts in any of their cases. Not sure what your point is.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:07 am to Penrod
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I still think that people who enter legally need to understand that they must behave when they are here. And protesting is not behaving. Let American citizens do the protesting and the deciding; as a guest, they should shut up and behave.
All legalities aside, I don't understand the mindset of being a political protester in a foreign country. I cannot imagine working or going to school overseas, and becoming a political agitator. Even if I was not technically breaking the law. Every country has gray areas in their law that are subject to interpretation and local enforcement. Why would you want to put yourself at the whim and mercy of a foreign government?
Just take care of your business and then return home.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:30 am to Kafka
quote:Let's imagine you are a Venezuelan living in Caracas. You have been strongly considering saving up your pesos, paying off a coyote, and coming across the USA border illegally. Now, Trump is POTUS and you see the videos of the planes landing in El Salvador. Do your scrap those plans now?
Arent they illegal aliens? I don't care what happens to them
If you are here, get out now. If you were planning on coming, you aren't now!
Posted on 3/31/25 at 11:52 am to dcbl
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I have mixed feelings about this; on the one hand I LOVE seeing the gang members sent there… but I hate seeing someone like the hairdresser thrown in I can tell you this, I lean towards being ok with the collateral damage and I am FAR more outraged about how the Biden administration treated J6 people
I’m also mixed on this. If we had done some level of due process to weed out the obvious it would have gone a long way. Maybe we accidentally let a couple bad ones loose, but sending the vast majority to that prison would be enough
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:10 pm to greygoose
I have spent WAY too much time on this thread. I don't think responding further helps anyone. I appreciate everyone's comments.
It's clear that my calculus is different from most people in here. I am MAGA primarily because I am America First. One of the reasons that I think America is the best country is our Constitution and its Bill of Rights.
J6 prosecutions, harassing and prosecuting Christians, lawfare against Trump were all unconstitutional acts during the Biden Administration. My primary concern is that these immigration actions of the Trump Administration will bleed over into unconstitutional treatment of citizens.
I won't waste time on explaining how the Constitution protects most noncitizens. I will just agree that illegal aliens have almost no due process rights. By converting noncitizens who are here LEGALLY into illegal aliens through no-notice revocation of visas or green cards, the Administration has already won the legal battle.
Trump 2.0 has done an excellent job of securing the border. We have a massive problem with illegal immigrants. Trump 2.0 is doing a good job with that. Also, even if there is some overkill in brutal treatment of people who don't deserve it, I concede that the deterrent effect on illegal immigration AND the inducement for illegal immigrants to self deport is worth that overkill.
Cheers
It's clear that my calculus is different from most people in here. I am MAGA primarily because I am America First. One of the reasons that I think America is the best country is our Constitution and its Bill of Rights.
J6 prosecutions, harassing and prosecuting Christians, lawfare against Trump were all unconstitutional acts during the Biden Administration. My primary concern is that these immigration actions of the Trump Administration will bleed over into unconstitutional treatment of citizens.
I won't waste time on explaining how the Constitution protects most noncitizens. I will just agree that illegal aliens have almost no due process rights. By converting noncitizens who are here LEGALLY into illegal aliens through no-notice revocation of visas or green cards, the Administration has already won the legal battle.
Trump 2.0 has done an excellent job of securing the border. We have a massive problem with illegal immigrants. Trump 2.0 is doing a good job with that. Also, even if there is some overkill in brutal treatment of people who don't deserve it, I concede that the deterrent effect on illegal immigration AND the inducement for illegal immigrants to self deport is worth that overkill.
Cheers
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:34 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:so, that doesnt mean they get to do whatever they want while here. you dont come into someone's house and put your muddy shoes on their couch unless you are Rick James.
both Ozturk and Khalil entered legally.
Posted on 3/31/25 at 12:49 pm to The Baker
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sorry but frick this mindset.
No one should accept any innocent person being round up and placed in a foreign prison with no recourse
Aren't you one of our resident JooAnon Bros?
Rape the frick out of them Joo whores and behead those dirty little Joo toddlers but some fricking illegal Venezuelan deserves to be held at Club Fed while his court case is sorted out.
GTFO
Posted on 3/31/25 at 2:17 pm to Hodag
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Aren't you one of our resident JooAnon Bros?
Rape the frick out of them Joo whores and behead those dirty little Joo toddlers but some fricking illegal Venezuelan deserves to be held at Club Fed while his court case is sorted out.
What a disgusting post. Link to where I said anything like that.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 11:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Wrong in every way.
Now you're defending asylum statute fraud.
Sad state.
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