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re: Joe Rogan Had Bernie Sanders On His Podcast Today
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:30 am to BugAC
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:30 am to BugAC
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Sounds like motivation to not frick up.
Yep
I grew up poor and knew I had to do things the right way to get a job, keep a job and move up the ladder.
It's really not that hard.
Hell, as an adult I've made mistakes and recovered nicely. It all depends on your motivation.
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:32 am to BugAC
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You feel sorry for the perpetual frick ups in society
Nope. I feel sorry for the person that made one mistake and has no help to overcome it.
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It's a poor life decision with real consequences.
You didn’t make poor decisions as a teenager or young adult?
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:32 am to Jones
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At what cost?
Every state is paying for expanded Medicaid whether they expanded it or not.
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It seems like all the policies are great on the surface but I never see the cost or where that money comes from
Well then read the bill. It's massive, but it spells out where the money comes from to pay for it.
I didn't intend to turn this into a debate on the merits of ACA. I simply used it as an example of how a policy can see success/failure based on cooperation and implementation. All of Bernie's policies would meet the same resistance and legal challenges if they were even able to get through Congress, which most, if not all, would not.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For a short period though, the poorest would benefit and we would have more equal outcomes, if you don't mind a massive pay cut.
A nice little microcosm of the Bernie affect is the mandatory $15/hr minimum wage.
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A once-growing industry is contracting, according to an online survey conducted by the New York City Hospitality Alliance, an association representing restaurants in the city.
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Last year, “full-service restaurants recorded a 1.6 percent job loss, which is the first recorded annual loss in two decades,” said Andrew Rigie, executive director of the trade group.
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The survey also said about a third of respondents will eliminate jobs and most will raise prices this year because of the new $15-an-hour law backed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo and other state officials, which took effect on Dec. 31, 2018.
A total of 76.5 percent of full-service restaurant respondents reduced employee hours, and 36 percent eliminated jobs in 2018, the survey said.
Also, 75 percent of limited-service restaurant respondents reported that they will reduce employee hours, and 53 percent will eliminate jobs in 2019 as a result of the wage increases, according to the survey.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:33 am to Tyga Woods
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that made one mistake and has no help to overcome it.
You see man, you're looking at these people as helpless victims. One mistake is not something you cannot overcome. Certain populist politicians would have you believing otherwise though.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:33 am to The Spleen
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Well then read the bill. It's massive, but it spells out where the money comes from to pay for it.
Could you point out those areas please... (P.S. you haven't read the bill).
PPS...it comes from taxes
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 8:37 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:35 am to Tyga Woods
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You didn’t make poor decisions as a teenager or young adult?
Generally no. Grew up poor, worked through college and built my own house.
People will do what they're motivated to do. You remove personal initiative from poor people, and you'll have a dependent class.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:35 am to Tyga Woods
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You didn’t make poor decisions as a teenager or young adult?
No. I didn't. Because i was afraid of the consequences of doing so. As a child, i remember being in the back seat of the car as my parents picked up fast food, and thought to myself, "I never want to have to do that job". I was not mechanically inclined. My only options in life were to study hard or go in the military. The Marines were my back up if i couldn't get into college. And eventually, that would have paid for college.
It doesn't take the mental acuity of a fully grown adult to realize that consequences have actions.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You remove personal initiative from poor people, and you'll have a dependent class.
Tyga is acting like what you're saying is a hypothetical. The welfare dependent inner city is THE EXAMPLE.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:38 am to BugAC
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The welfare dependent inner city is THE EXAMPLE.
So is a good chunk of Appalachia. This generational shite has been going on since the 60's.
Without a soft nest to live in, people will move to find work and better themselves. When you give them a soft nest, they'll live off the worms the provider brings to them.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:39 am to BugAC
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Could you point out those areas please
Additional Medicare tax, Net Investment Income tax, medical device tax, increased tax on top bracket, among other things.
And no I haven't read the bill. Few people have. I've read plenty of summaries of it over the years. I'm not the one that feigned ignorance on how the bill was funded though.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:39 am to Brosef Stalin
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He's had Jordan Peterson, Milo Yiannopolis, Alex Jones, and Gavin McInnis on his show too.
Ted Nugent as well. Most people in america were able to get along with others regardless of party affiliation. The childish and violent reactions and behaviors to others with a different view is a relatively recent thing. At least in my lifetime.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:40 am to The Spleen
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Additional Medicare tax, Net Investment Income tax, medical device tax, increased tax on top bracket
Who do you think will be paying this, ultimately? Capital will flow offshore.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:41 am to TigerNlc
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The childish and violent reactions and behaviors to others with a different view is a relatively recent thing.
Its a social media phenomenon but you see it spilling into real life now.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:42 am to The Spleen
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I'm not the one that feigned ignorance on how the bill was funded though
I wasn't being specific fwiw
I was talking about the policies of said individuals in the discussion
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:42 am to The Spleen
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Additional Medicare tax, Net Investment Income tax, medical device tax, increased tax on top bracket, among other things.
WEEEEEE!!!!! MOAR TAXES!!!!!
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And no I haven't read the bill. Few people have. I've read plenty of summaries of it over the years. I'm not the one that feigned ignorance on how the bill was funded though.
Who's feigning ignorance? Everyone knows the funds come from increased taxes. Every single, solitary, socialist agenda DEMANDS more taxes. Yet you act as if these plans are free. More taxes means MORE income inequality, more poverty, greater shrinking middle class, increase in price of goods, decrease in median wages... NONE OF THIS IS NEW. It's not some abstract talking point. EVERYONE knows (or should know) that every "great" idea from fedgov requires squeezing the taxpayer.
But you know who isn't affected by any of this? The fricking politicians you so desperately praise. They will be the ruling class and the scary thing, is you want that. You want a group of bureaucrats to lord over us all.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:43 am to TigerNlc
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The childish and violent reactions and behaviors to others with a different view is a relatively recent thing
Do what? It's quite literally how this country was founded, and has been a part of America since that time.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:45 am to The Spleen
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Then look at the states that refused to expand Medicaid and refused to set up their own exchanges, and how it has been far less successful there.
So hey let’s look at a program that was designed to kick the can at least ten years down the road five years later?
How well is that Medicaid expansion working out for JBE? Gotta love that $400 mil in fraud almost immediately
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:46 am to The Spleen
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Do what? It's quite literally how this country was founded, and has been a part of America since that time.
Yeah, no. ANTIFA is not the equivalent to the American Revolution. Sorry.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:46 am to NotoriousFSU
quote:Joe didn't call Bernie out at all. Bernie's idea just to tax corporations to pay for all his proposals would just mean the corporations would reduce labor costs (aka layoffs & downsizing etc) proportional to the increases in taxes/fee to get to the profit point they want.
Legalizing weed would create a surge of new jobs (see Colorado) while raising the minimum wage to some arbitrary amount of $15.00 per hour would mean the cutting back of hours of the workers who haven’t yet been fired to offset the cost to the owner.
Duh Bernie on Capitalism 101.
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