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Job availability: A reason for population density
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:52 am
Many people on here are under this misguided notion that only rural Red areas have workers.
I find this odd in that most urbanized areas (Red or Blue) have most of the jobs and conditions to create startups.
People (especially young people) want to move where the jobs are.
Antecedotal, but I've meet plenty of talented people who moved from what they described as more rural areas for Huntsville. That is a conservative rural to urban example.
Look at Silicon Valley in California. It is the tech capital of the world despite any sore feelings about politics.
Why would someone want to move into a very rural area unless they had a job that paid them better than what they have? Most small towns I've been too have very little to no industry.
Dont take this post as being anti-rural America. I'm just defending why the islands of blue exist. A large share of the sea of red are relatively poor areas with the exception of suburbs. Those suburbs are usually nearby large cities.
Urbanization is the end result of an industrialized nation. I'll never understand where this anti-urban resentment came from. All the more jarring considering Trump and many establishment Republicans come from metropolitan areas.
I find this odd in that most urbanized areas (Red or Blue) have most of the jobs and conditions to create startups.
People (especially young people) want to move where the jobs are.
Antecedotal, but I've meet plenty of talented people who moved from what they described as more rural areas for Huntsville. That is a conservative rural to urban example.
Look at Silicon Valley in California. It is the tech capital of the world despite any sore feelings about politics.
Why would someone want to move into a very rural area unless they had a job that paid them better than what they have? Most small towns I've been too have very little to no industry.
Dont take this post as being anti-rural America. I'm just defending why the islands of blue exist. A large share of the sea of red are relatively poor areas with the exception of suburbs. Those suburbs are usually nearby large cities.
Urbanization is the end result of an industrialized nation. I'll never understand where this anti-urban resentment came from. All the more jarring considering Trump and many establishment Republicans come from metropolitan areas.
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 10:53 am
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:54 am to volod
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Why would someone want to move into a very rural area unless they had a job that paid them better than what they have?
Cost and quality of living?
Crime?
Schools?
Family?
Choice of life style?
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:55 am to volod
The traffic and noise alone is reason to make me want to live in the country and work remote.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:57 am to volod
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Many people on here are under this misguided notion that only rural Red areas have workers.
I dont know where this comes from, never heard it before.
but Rural areas means agriculture jobs, urban areas means more jobs/job opportunities. this is why throughout history populations flock to urban areas.
go take a Human Geography class (my daughters both chose to take it as a freshman in high school - AP option for World Geography)
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:05 am to volod
Thank you for sharing Marx's 1848 insight.
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The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:08 am to CoachChappy
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Cost and quality of living?
Crime?
Schools?
Family?
Choice of life style?
All of those are valid reasons. Have you considered that a mid sized to large city has those.
Most of my experience is in Southern cities. I have yet to see a major cost of living difference between urban and more rural areas except for housing. Technology has made things more accessible to masses regardless of location. Amazon and Ebay are basically my go-to except for groceries.
Housing is tricky but usually overcome if you find a good realtor.
Schools and crime are more a matter of neighborhood than city itself. You could make an argument that rural areas are safer even for the poorest citizens.
Lifestyle is the real cutoff. I prefer a more urban lifestyle. If you just need to hunt and fish, then stay rural. Some occupations are centered on rural environments. Although its possible to drive out of town for those things.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:10 am to volod
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Why would someone want to move into a very rural area unless they had a job that paid them better than what they have?
Money isn't everything to all people?
I much prefer rural or semi rural to urban and it's not close. The lifestyle is so much better for me.
Could I make more money in a place like Seattle? Probably. But I would be miserable.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:12 am to volod
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I have yet to see a major cost of living difference between urban and more rural areas except for housing.
So a families largest debt?
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Have you considered that a mid sized to large city has those.
A mid size city like Lafayette is not the same as living in somewhere like Iota. Not even close.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:12 am to volod
Unions baw.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:12 am to tigeraddict
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Many people on here are under this misguided notion that only rural Red areas have workers.
I dont know where this comes from, never heard it before.
I'm glad I'm not the only one scratching my head on that statement.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:13 am to volod
You are leaving out the suburbs.
Yes rural areas are red and don't have many workers.
But while jobs tend to cluster around other jobs (for a bunch of reasons) the workers tend to live in suburbs.
Yes rural areas are red and don't have many workers.
But while jobs tend to cluster around other jobs (for a bunch of reasons) the workers tend to live in suburbs.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:13 am to volod
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Have you considered that a mid sized to large city has those.
Do not want the lifestyle.
Considering I haven't been in a hurry for a couple of decades, I'm content with small citys, towns and rural.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I much prefer rural or semi rural to urban and it's not close. The lifestyle is so much better for me.
Could I make more money in a place like Seattle? Probably. But I would be miserable.
I can respect that. All I'm trying to do to explain why our country has such a lack of population diversity like what you see on an electoral map. The maps show districts but not economics or job density.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:28 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I'm glad I'm not the only one scratching my head on that statement.
It's not you or the original commenter. There have been a few posts about the urban areas being lazy. But the people using those programs like SNAP are usually working a job. This was before the Kavanaugh incident.
Kavanaugh should be appointed by the way. The accusations are too gray and are outside reasonable time.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:28 am to volod
Have to be honest, volod, I’ve been conservative and urban my whole life. Never heard this argument put forward before.
Both urban and rural areas have workers.
People choose a lifestyle that includes job choices.
Urban areas tend to be DNC because of many factors like poor education, corruption, crony capitalism, welfare, and intrusive governments.
Urbanization is not the end result of industrialization. It is the result of agriculture and food surplus that allows for non food production specialization. Industrialization just increases the attraction of urban areas. In 1500, Tenochtitlan (site now of Mexico City) had a population of 200,000 with no industrialization or even the wheel.
Both urban and rural areas have workers.
People choose a lifestyle that includes job choices.
Urban areas tend to be DNC because of many factors like poor education, corruption, crony capitalism, welfare, and intrusive governments.
Urbanization is not the end result of industrialization. It is the result of agriculture and food surplus that allows for non food production specialization. Industrialization just increases the attraction of urban areas. In 1500, Tenochtitlan (site now of Mexico City) had a population of 200,000 with no industrialization or even the wheel.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:28 am to volod
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:40 am to volod
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All I'm trying to do to explain why our country has such a lack of population diversity like what you see on an electoral map.
More work opportunities, more social programs.
Places like Alaska and Idaho are not for those who's main goals are career achievement. People work to live in those areas, not live to work.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:42 am to lsutiger2010
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So you don't see a major cost of living difference except for the biggest expense a person has. Brilliant
Let me clarify. All else being equal, I dont see how urban life is more expensive than rural life post 1990s. Wages typically reflect the area that you live in (not always, but usually).
Housing is a " devil in the details". The housing in cities like Dallas is high, but nothing compared to the Bay.
The size of your home and amenities (pool, kitchen remodel, Garage) are also a factor.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do not want the lifestyle.
What lifestyle?
I've never truly lived in the stix, but I've lived in my fair share of pretty small towns and I didn't see a huge difference between those and what most people would consider medium-large cities.
Posted on 9/26/18 at 11:46 am to LSUconvert
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but I've lived in my fair share of pretty small towns and I didn't see a huge difference between those and what most people would consider medium-large cities.
You must have been 8 years old.
There's a major lifestyle change between living in a town and living in a mid size city, unless you're counting these towns as suburbs.
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