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re: Jesus is Lord is trending on X
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:42 am to extremetigerfanatic
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:42 am to extremetigerfanatic
quote:Its not. It isn’t an exact parallel but I wasn’t making one. I said it was reminiscent. My point is that by me acting according to my conscience on a matter that will not impact others in the grand scheme of things, I am being wished evil and am told that I’m no better than those who are actively attempting to harm others.
Strawman argument. Nobody from the right gonna show up with the police to force you to vote or coerce your employer to make you vote.
quote:I’ve been “paying it forward” for years. I owe no one a symbolic vote. I do owe Jesus Christ my allegiance above all others, though.
You completely have the right to sit it out.
But you only have that right because people exactly like you DIDNT sit on their hands in years past. That doesn’t make you scrupled. It makes you a thief.
You stand in the freedom others provided you and refuse to pay it forward.
I am no thief. You are using hyperbolic language to shame me into violating my conscience.
quote:I do not want that for myself or for any other Christians, but that is out of my control. That will likely happen (unless God shows mercy) regardless of whether or not my one vote is cast. Christians are expected to suffer in this life. The truth of Jesus Christ is offensive to those who are perishing in their sins. My job is not to look for political saviors to save me and my family but to be in the Word and prepare myself and my family for the persecution that they will face regardless of the President, and to put their trust in Jesus to save their souls, not trust in fallible men.
I believe without a doubt that one day you won’t have the right to be a Christian without penalty in this country. Christians in the UK are closer than we are. But it’s not that far off. You want that for your kids? Grandchildren? That’s selfish
quote:It is different. Taxes are required. Voting is not. That actually does make a difference.
This is no different than “render unto Caesar”. Should the Jews have paid Caesar taxes? Should you vote ? The US government is in power because God ordains it to be.
quote:Again, I’m seeking to honor the Lord with who I endorse with my vote. I’m not sitting on some high horse and do not want to be perceived that I am. I’m a sinner deserving of God’s wrath but am saved by His grace alone.
You’re sitting on a high horse of your own making no others can see
quote:Ive held my nose and voted for enemies of Christ in the past because they were the lesser of two evils. I can no longer vote for evil, even if one is “better” than the other.
Go hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils like every Christian in the last 250 years.
And be thankful you even have that right. The majority of Christian’s in the history of the world haven’t.
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Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:46 am to themunch
quote:All my rights and privileges are to be used for the glory of God above all else.
We have certain rights we need to exercise when the time deems such is important or otherwise.
quote:Im not doing this out of weakness. On the contrary, I’ve been subjected to mocking and ridicule for my position. Having to stand up to immense peer pressure is not weakness.
don't be such a weak individual to let Satan have his way by not speaking up.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:49 am to dgnx6
quote:Trump speaks of Jesus like he speaks of other honorable and loyal people. I’ve heard atheists say similar things about Jesus being a good moral teacher. Jesus is more than just a good and honest person, though.
He was talking about California and the only way they would have honest vote counting is if Jesus came down and counted the votes. You know, because Jesus is honest. Democrats didn’t like that and openly mock you.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:53 am to John Barron
I wonder what the reaction would have been if someone yelled “Allahu Akbar”
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:58 am to Pookers
quote:
Meek and weak aint the same
Amen Brother. Well said
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:07 am to FooManChoo
Having to stand up to immense peer pressure
That is weak
Sorry brother to hold you accountable to your other brothers and sisters to do what is right and not allow the downward to hell in a hand basket society we are subjecting ourselves to otherwise.
Stay well brother
That is weak
Sorry brother to hold you accountable to your other brothers and sisters to do what is right and not allow the downward to hell in a hand basket society we are subjecting ourselves to otherwise.
Stay well brother
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 11:09 am
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:09 am to FooManChoo
quote:
You’re free to think what you want about me. This world is not my home so if I’m taken away and killed by an evil government, then so be it. I’ll be in Heaven and those who perpetrated the act will be judged by God.
I like you foo, but that's a pretty weak answer and not one that is reflected in God's spirit. Actively choosing not to do somehting to stand against evil just because "this isn't my home anyway" isn't a good view in my opinion.
Tell me this, was it morally wrong for allied soldiers to fight the Axis forces in WWII or should nothing have been done?
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:13 am to JiminyCricket
quote:Im only speaking to my willingness to suffer for Christ in this world. My statement was not meant to be a catch-all response to evil in this world. Please keep the context of this discussion in mind
I like you foo, but that's a pretty weak answer and not one that is reflected in God's spirit. Actively choosing not to do somehting to stand against evil just because "this isn't my home anyway" isn't a good view in my opinion
quote:I believe WWII was a just war, so no, I don’t believe it was morally wrong to fight the Axis.
Tell me this, was it morally wrong for allied soldiers to fight the Axis forces in WWII or should nothing have been done?
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:18 am to FooManChoo
quote:
m only speaking to my willingness to suffer for Christ in this world. My statement was not meant to be a catch-all response to evil in this world. Please keep the context of this discussion in mind
You presented it as such relative to the "catch-all" comment. Should we not, while on this earth and this side of heaven, do our best to bring about more law and order and less death and mayhem? By sitting on the sidelines, you're not doing your part to bring more law, order and safety to this world and instead are essentially throwing your hands up and quitting.
quote:
I believe WWII was a just war, so no, I don’t believe it was morally wrong to fight the Axis.
You shouldn't hold that position if you're being intellectually consistent. The allies were not perfect and not christians exclusively. Why are you willing to support the lesser evil in this case but not in an election?
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 11:20 am
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:28 am to FooManChoo
quote:
I can certainly speak to the issue at hand and I’m not in a swing state. I think you misunderstood my response.
My issue is with your mentality.
"Trump isn't Christian enough (or even at all, if that's your opinion), so I'll refrain from working to prevent an even worse evil (Kamala) from getting elected."
This isn't merely me paying more taxes, or even having to give up a gas stove, the sorts of policies such an administration is likely to push could end up having children taken from their parents.
If such an occurrence happens then I think you and anyone else who shared your mentality, swing state or not, deserves the same arse beating as those who actually support such policies.
That's my stance, that's my issue with the stance you're taking. I understand you yourself wouldn't have been the sole reason for such an event taking place, just like a single water droplet isn't the sole reason someone's home flooded. But your mentality would have played a role.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:31 am to themunch
quote:Im being attacked left and right for my position and then am told that I’m doing what I’m doing because I’m scared. My only point was that I am not showing evidence of acting out of fear.
Having to stand up to immense peer pressure
That is weak
quote:If I am in sin, show me. I’m making the argument that I’m seeking to honor Christ in how I vote and how that is my first priority, not acting pragmatically as if God is not sovereign over everything.
Sorry brother to hold you accountable to your other brothers and sisters to do what is right and not allow the downward to hell in a hand basket society we are subjecting ourselves to otherwise.
You know why Jesus was rejected by so many Jews? The Jews were looking for a political savior to overthrow the evil Roman Empire. Jesus didn’t come to save people from Rome but from sin. Christians today are more focused on political salvation than spiritual salvation and seem to be more interested in evangelizing others to vote than evangelizing to trust in Christ and join a faithful church for discipleship.
quote:You, too
Stay well brother
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:34 am to FooManChoo
The Jews were looking for a King to overthrow the bondage of the evil Roman Empire.
More accurate.
More accurate.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 11:36 am
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:39 am to FooManChoo
quote:
If I am in sin, show me.
Jesus didn't speak fondly of the religious people who didn't do the pragmatic thing relative to the good samaritan story. Having the chance to do something to help others and not doing it is wrong.
I get it, Trump isn't the messiah. He's being hired to do a job and he's the better option than the other leading candidate. Allowing Harris to take control would do immeasurebaly more harm than otherwise.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:43 am to JiminyCricket
quote:I don’t think I did, but if I didn’t communicate that well, I apologize for the confusion.
You presented it as such relative to the "catch-all" comment.
quote:We should seek to promote more law and order and less death and mayhem, yes.
Should we not, while on this earth and this side of heaven, do our best to bring about more law and order and less death and mayhem? By sitting on the sidelines, you're not doing your part to bring more law, order and safety to this world and instead are essentially throwing your hands up and quitting.
My position is not that those things should not be promoted, but that Christians need to maintain their faithfulness to Christ even in those things.
Law and order and peace in this earth are not the final goals or even the most important things to the Christian. Christ’s kingdom and faithfulness to Him are.
Under extreme persecution, I may have the unfortunate opportunity to save my life and the lives of my family by denying Christ. Pragmatism would dictate that I do that; that I can even lie about that to save lives. However, if my allegiance is to Christ, that may mean the death of myself and my family. That wouldn’t be my fault but the fault of those who are persecuting Christians.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:46 am to themunch
quote:Either way, they were focused on a political and earthly messiah, not Jesus Christ. That is my point. They weren’t wrong to want Rome off their back, but they rejected something much more important because they weren’t focused on the right things.
The Jews were looking for a King to overthrow the bondage of the evil Roman Empire.
More accurate.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:47 am to John Barron
She hates Jesus, well…except for the ones illegally streaming into the country.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:48 am to John Barron
Man that is one dumb bitch.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:51 am to FooManChoo
quote:
We should seek to promote more law and order and less death and mayhem, yes.
Okay, we agree.
quote:
My position is not that those things should not be promoted, but that Christians need to maintain their faithfulness to Christ even in those things.
Is it sinful for me to vote for trump?
quote:
Law and order and peace in this earth are not the final goals or even the most important things to the Christian. Christ’s kingdom and faithfulness to Him are.
Answer this, is every christian that votes for trump committing a sin?
quote:
Under extreme persecution, I may have the unfortunate opportunity to save my life and the lives of my family by denying Christ. Pragmatism would dictate that I do that; that I can even lie about that to save lives. However, if my allegiance is to Christ, that may mean the death of myself and my family. That wouldn’t be my fault but the fault of those who are persecuting Christians.
No one is voting trump as head of the church dude. He's being hired to run a country and he's shown no tendency to lessen religious freedom. You're overthinking it.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:51 am to FooManChoo
quote:
Matthew 22:21
ESV
They said, "Caesar 's." Then he said to them, "Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar 's, and to God the things that are God 's."
The Government wants you to vote. Just go vote. On Judgment day, Christ is not going to say, Well done my faithful servant for not voting and being an attention whore on TD.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 11:51 am to JiminyCricket
quote:If it were merely helping others, you would be right.
Jesus didn't speak fondly of the religious people who didn't do the pragmatic thing relative to the good samaritan story. Having the chance to do something to help others and not doing it is wrong.
Please notice that my position isnt that Christians shouldn’t ever vote, be engaged in politics, or act in the best interests of others. My position is that what is most honoring to Christ may not be what is most pragmatically beneficial to others, even other Christians.
quote:I dont disagree that Harris would be more harmful than Trump. My position is not based on pragmatism.
I get it, Trump isn't the messiah. He's being hired to do a job and he's the better option than the other leading candidate. Allowing Harris to take control would do immeasurebaly more harm than otherwise.
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