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re: Jesuit Priest Claims LGBT Books for Kids are Like Sharing Jesus’ Parables
Posted on 7/5/25 at 3:59 pm to Prodigal Son
Posted on 7/5/25 at 3:59 pm to Prodigal Son
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Do you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh? Who/what do you think Jesus is?
That which is spirit is spirit and that which is flesh is flesh. Spirit is not flesh. God is within all. Within you, within me, within all. It's your soul, of which there is no reality if you lack it, no different than an AI or any other machine. That's why sins against God are based on sins against other people.
What made Jesus unique was the strong connection, or the "richness" of his spirit. Or perhaps another way to say it is that he acted fully from the spirit and not of the flesh.
I can see the father in him just based on his words. You can straight prove he never existed and I will not change my opinion 1 bit. The understanding being expressed is real.
And again, that is available to all. Not just Jesus. Jesus tells you these things himself. Tell me, if the father made his home in you, and you had that direct connection, would you listen to that, or to scripture? Did Jesus listen to the pharisees?
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JOHN 14:6
6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
I need a better understanding of who/what you think Jesus is (and how you arrived at your conclusion) before we go any further. You appear to have a low view of scripture, and Christianity in general- so I would like to know , well, a lot of things, but let’s start with who/what Jesus is (to you) and why. Maybe you could also explain your view of scripture.
I'm glad you mentioned John 14 because it is what explains my experience. But don't start and stop at verse 6, lets take it all in. Even just go to 7 for example. Like I said, I recognize the father in Jesus, so when he says that I can confirm.
Since you ask of my experience specifically, that starts in John 14:24. But damn, I almost had to mention it so far down because I just love that entire chapter and the parts about keeping the commandments as I have said are all right there. But again, for my experience specifically start at 24. I was agnostic when I found the father. Still, start before 24 for more context.
Also, for my opinion on Paul - look at John 14:30.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 4:02 pm
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Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:12 pm to 3down10
quote:If you have revelation from God, you need to be a teacher and prophet and share it. However, since your revelation is likely from a demon, you need to abandon whatever it is you think you experienced and trust in the revealed word of God already given to His people, culminated in Jesus Christ, God in the flesh.
There is only 1 true teacher, and it's not me or any man. I'm not your savior, I'm not special, and I've experienced nothing that isn't possible for you or any other man.
quote:That's not what Jesus taught, though. It wasn't the mere following after Jesus that saved anyone, because many initially followed Him but then turned away, including Judas Iscariot. To truly follow Jesus is to trust Him and to obey Him by faith.
Correct, Jesus didn't lie to the rich man, the church does. Jesus told him to keep the commandments which he could do by following him, rather than to worship his sacrifice.
quote:The Church says that you only need to believe Jesus died for your sins in order for your sins to be forgiven, however it also teaches that good works are necessary as fruits of a true trust in Christ. Works are necessary, but not as a basis for our justification before God. You seem to be focused on good works, which is not unique in world religions. Everyone tries to make themselves right before God by doing good works, but Christianity teaches that it is the good works of Jesus Christ that merit salvation, rather than our own good works. You seem to be advocating for something that is no different than every other religion out there.
The church says you just need to believe Jesus died for your sins. That's the difference between those who follow Jesus and the death cult you follow.
quote:Not true. The Reformed tradition follows what the Scriptures teach, that faith alone is necessary for salvation, but such faith produces good works. No good works means no fruit of repentance and salvation.
According to the church, the same rich man is saved without doing those things, just by the "grace" of Jesus and his "sacrifice".
quote:I don't hate you, but you are teaching a false "gospel".
It's funny how Conservatives hate me for actually being favor of limiting government, and Christians hate me because I point out they have to keep the commandments.
quote:I obey what Christ has commanded. I obey the moral law of God. I don't do that to earn salvation, but out of thanks to God for the free grace of salvation that was given to me even though I didn't deserve it.
You can keep believing all that stuff if you want, but my advice is that you pay more attention to keeping the commandments - what an evil and terrible guy I am.
quote:Salvation from sin is through the Lord Jesus Christ alone. If you think you have another way, then Jesus, Himself, is made into a liar.
This is an anology that will explain how I see Christians.
God comes to earth and he puts down a sign that says "Heaven -> 50 miles". People see the sign and start to follow it's directions. People of power who normally control people do not like it. So they go out, they dig up the sign and remove it. However, people still remember the sign, and they tell others about the directions and they follow the sign.
This can't do, so they start trying to kill those people. Eventually, they figure out - shite this isn't working, we have to do something different. So one of them says - I will manipulate the religion and make them worship the sign instead of following the directions.
And now, instead of following the directions of the sign, you wear shovels around your neck, and compete with each other over who can talk best about the sign while never actually following it. All convinced that a taxi cab will one day show up and take them to the destination.
If someone like me comes along as says - hey, I've been there, and those directions are real and you should follow them - you attack them and praise the sign and tell them only by the sign can they be saved.
So yeah, I'm not going to apologize for understanding the directions, and anyone who tells me understanding doesn't matter is a fool. Let those with ears hear.
I follow the path. If you follow Jesus and walk beside me as a result, that's cool. If you throw stones at me for walking the path because I don't worship your idol, I also do not care.
quote:It's a pretty standard answer. I'm sorry if that's the first time you've heard it. Perhaps that's an indictment on the learning/teaching of the Church broadly today, but I'm thankful that God has given wise and gifted men to the Church for a few thousand years.
PS: I did like the part of the man valuing his riches more, that's more than most can give.
But to elaborate, Jesus was pointing out that the rich man could not save himself through obedience to the law, as the rich man thought was possible. Jesus was just pointing out that someone who thought they kept the whole law couldn't even obey the first commandment about worshipping God alone rather than idols, like his wealth and possessions. Jesus was not saying that salvation comes by obedience to the law. If it were that simple and easy, then Jesus didn't need to come at all. :He didn't need to fulfill the requirements of the law. He didn't need to die at all. He didn't need to be raised from the dead. He just needed to tell everyone what God had already said from the beginning: "obey me and live". The problem was that no one could keep the law because of our sinful natures. God had to fulfill the requirements of obedience for us so that He could be our representative and grant us life in Christ.
So again I say, you need to repent of your false beliefs that reject Jesus Christ as the God-man Savior and King, as well as seeking to ground salvation in understanding and obedience apart form Jesus Christ. No one can be saved apart from the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:19 pm to 3down10
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What made Jesus unique was the strong connection, or the "richness" of his spirit. Or perhaps another way to say it is that he acted fully from the spirit and not of the flesh.
Ok. There’s nothing incorrect here, but, why/how is that possible? You seem to be dancing around this idea that Jesus was just a man. Is that your position? When Jesus says “I and the Father are one”- what do you think He means?
Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:27 pm to Prodigal Son
Democrats are pedophiles
Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:27 pm to 3down10
Gay marriage is not something I lose sleep over,, but as for the state getting involved, it's way beyond a simple piece of paper. The involvement comes from the issue
Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:28 pm to Keltic Tiger
continued........... of death & health benefits, ownership of property. etc.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 4:59 pm to FooManChoo
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If you have revelation from God, you need to be a teacher and prophet and share it. However, since your revelation is likely from a demon, you need to abandon whatever it is you think you experienced and trust in the revealed word of God already given to His people, culminated in Jesus Christ, God in the flesh.
I can't give to you the way God can.
That which is spirit is spirit and that which is flesh is flesh. The only thing saved by the death of truth is the lie, and the lie will live until the truth returns.
Not interested in idol worshiping.
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That's not what Jesus taught, though. It wasn't the mere following after Jesus that saved anyone, because many initially followed Him but then turned away, including Judas Iscariot. To truly follow Jesus is to trust Him and to obey Him by faith.
Much like just praising Jesus and following his idol is quite different from actually following his example and keeping the commandments?
Jesus turns the rich man away, the church says that rich man is saved without doing the things Jesus told him to do. You just don't want to hear this because it's not as sweet and easy to actually keep the commandments.
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The Church says that you only need to believe Jesus died for your sins in order for your sins to be forgiven, however it also teaches that good works are necessary as fruits of a true trust in Christ. Works are necessary, but not as a basis for our justification before God. You seem to be focused on good works, which is not unique in world religions. Everyone tries to make themselves right before God by doing good works, but Christianity teaches that it is the good works of Jesus Christ that merit salvation, rather than our own good works. You seem to be advocating for something that is no different than every other religion out there.
Good works are a consequence of someone who keeps the commandments. I'm not even sure where you get this idea I'm focused on good works, just doing things you think are good is not the same thing. I'm talking about keeping the commandments.
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Not true. The Reformed tradition follows what the Scriptures teach, that faith alone is necessary for salvation, but such faith produces good works. No good works means no fruit of repentance and salvation.
Your faith is in an idol, not in the truth and the way. It's not the same thing. It's like a man who repeats 1+1=2 because someone told it was true compared to someone who understands math and is able to apply that math to their lives. Just doing things society sees as good is not the same thing either, that's what it means by works alone and such.
Still, this has nothing to do with the Rich man and why Jesus told him different than the church does.
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I don't hate you, but you are teaching a false "gospel".
How dare I tell people to keep the commandments and try to explain why it matters and how we inadvertently break them. What kind of monster does such things!
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I obey what Christ has commanded. I obey the moral law of God. I don't do that to earn salvation, but out of thanks to God for the free grace of salvation that was given to me even though I didn't deserve it.
You don't need to do anything to earn salvation, just believe you are saved by human sacrifice via local government and religious figures of the best person to ever walk the earth so they can maintain their own power over the people, of which will never stop until the truth returns.
You can believe all that if you want. But maybe keep the commandments in addition to it?
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Salvation from sin is through the Lord Jesus Christ alone. If you think you have another way, then Jesus, Himself, is made into a liar.
Idol worship. Stop reducing the father within him that he represents. It's much greater. Let me fix it for you.
Salvation from sin is through the the truth, the way and the light alone. If you think you have another way, then Jesus, Himself, is made into a liar.
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But to elaborate, Jesus was pointing out that the rich man could not save himself through obedience to the law, as the rich man thought was possible. Jesus was just pointing out that someone who thought they kept the whole law couldn't even obey the first commandment about worshipping God alone rather than idols, like his wealth and possessions. Jesus was not saying that salvation comes by obedience to the law. If it were that simple and easy, then Jesus didn't need to come at all. :He didn't need to fulfill the requirements of the law. He didn't need to die at all. He didn't need to be raised from the dead. He just needed to tell everyone what God had already said from the beginning: "obey me and live". The problem was that no one could keep the law because of our sinful natures. God had to fulfill the requirements of obedience for us so that He could be our representative and grant us life in Christ.
To obey him is to keep the commandments, not to worship his idol and see how much you can praise him.
And you have still not explained why the Church doesn't require the rich man to do the same things Jesus told the rich man to do.
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So again I say, you need to repent of your false beliefs that reject Jesus Christ as the God-man Savior and King, and seek to ground salvation in understanding in obedience. No one can be saved apart from the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
I will never participate in the satanic practice of human sacrifice. You don't even believe what Jesus says, because my entire experience is laid out in the bible, and you tell me it's a demon because...I tell you to keep the commandments and reject your blood sacrifice as a replacement for it.
Which clashes with Jesus who said...If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 5:29 pm to Prodigal Son
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Ok. There’s nothing incorrect here, but, why/how is that possible? You seem to be dancing around this idea that Jesus was just a man. Is that your position? When Jesus says “I and the Father are one”- what do you think He means?
What do you mean just a man? That which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit. If you are trying to claim that flesh can be spirit, then you are wrong. Our souls are not of this creation, they are of god. Or in a modern sense, your consciousness is not part of the physical universe.
Look at a video game for example. You are basically entering into another "universe" where you have a separate character and you are then bound to the rules and limitations of that world as long as you are in it. Now, while you are in it, that "reality" and the "physical" part of that reality is not you at all. Your consciousness has entered into it. If you tell an NPC in that game you are not of that world, they are not going to understand at all. Those limitations are required for the experience.
Our reality is no different. Our souls enter into this world, and we are then limited by the laws of this universe. And part of that limitation is also not having any previous memories. Think of it like being a bird. If you were to somehow enter a birds body as your current self, you would be a man in a birds body. Only if you can limit yourself to only the bird could you actually experience what it meant to be the bird.
So I don't know what you are trying to ask me here. If it's that God was the flesh, then no. If it's that God can have a character in this world, then yes. In fact, we are all basically that, it's our soul. Without God there is no reality, you do not really exist anymore than an NPC in a video game exists.
Do you not believe Jesus when he tells you those who believe will have the father within them the same as he does? How do you think that is possible? It's the gaining of understanding, just as he says in John 14 - he does the work of the father within him, and the holy spirit will teach you all things.
So like I said, when he says these things I know the father is in him because that is the understanding of the father. There is no crossing of spirit and flesh, just spirit entering it.
And that's also why there are 2 deaths. The death of flesh, is just leaving this world - we all experience that. The death of spirit is a whole other thing, that's you no longer existing(you go back to God). Unless you are an NPC, then you were just part of creation.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 7/5/25 at 5:50 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Gay marriage is not something I lose sleep over,, but as for the state getting involved, it's way beyond a simple piece of paper. The involvement comes from the issue of death & health benefits, ownership of property. etc.
Yeah, that's pretty much the only reason my wife and I got married. Plus, it's just awkward in many situations to not be married like applying for things etc.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 6:17 pm to Night Vision
I swear I saw Judas Priest when I looked at this multiple times. I was thinking I didn’t know they were still around, the lead singer was obviously gay but what are they doing on political board. breaking the law …again
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 7/5/25 at 6:31 pm to 3down10
Ok. I’m sold. Where does one obtain this “special knowledge” that God seems to have given you and you alone- which somehow makes you equal to Jesus- who is definitely not God? 
Come on man. You’re just repeating a bunch of cult nonsense. There’s no real substance to anything you’re saying, nothing new anyway. It seems like a mix of new age woo, and Judaism, with a gnostic twist. For the record, I’m with you on keeping the commandments. Far far far too many “Christians” (myself included) rely on cheap grace as a substitute for daily crucifixion of our flesh. But, you seem to be implying that salvation is acquired by keeping the law. Which explains your disdain for the Apostle of Jesus Christ- Paul. Have you studied the entire Bible? Do you not see a meta narrative that begins in Genesis and ends in Revelation? Do you really not see the beauty in (there is no greater love), and the necessity of Jesus’s life, crucifixion and resurrection?
Let’s follow your theology to its inevitable conclusion:
Your plan of salvation relies solely upon your ability to keep the commandments. But it fails to account for how you will pay your debt- for the innumerable times you have fallen short of the perfect standard of a Holy God- with each of those infractions incurring a “life” sentence. Adds up fast. What then will you offer to the Creator of all things? You have nothing that doesn’t already belong to Him. You need Jesus. We all do.
It really feels (familiar) like you’re trying to avoid the truth by indulging in conspiracy theories that provide false assurance. What do you have to support your position (other than vague one-liners)?
I would love to hear about your experience with God- in detail, if you’re so obliged.
Come on man. You’re just repeating a bunch of cult nonsense. There’s no real substance to anything you’re saying, nothing new anyway. It seems like a mix of new age woo, and Judaism, with a gnostic twist. For the record, I’m with you on keeping the commandments. Far far far too many “Christians” (myself included) rely on cheap grace as a substitute for daily crucifixion of our flesh. But, you seem to be implying that salvation is acquired by keeping the law. Which explains your disdain for the Apostle of Jesus Christ- Paul. Have you studied the entire Bible? Do you not see a meta narrative that begins in Genesis and ends in Revelation? Do you really not see the beauty in (there is no greater love), and the necessity of Jesus’s life, crucifixion and resurrection? Let’s follow your theology to its inevitable conclusion:
Your plan of salvation relies solely upon your ability to keep the commandments. But it fails to account for how you will pay your debt- for the innumerable times you have fallen short of the perfect standard of a Holy God- with each of those infractions incurring a “life” sentence. Adds up fast. What then will you offer to the Creator of all things? You have nothing that doesn’t already belong to Him. You need Jesus. We all do.
It really feels (familiar) like you’re trying to avoid the truth by indulging in conspiracy theories that provide false assurance. What do you have to support your position (other than vague one-liners)?
I would love to hear about your experience with God- in detail, if you’re so obliged.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 8:22 pm to Prodigal Son
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Ok. I’m sold. Where does one obtain this “special knowledge” that God seems to have given you and you alone- which somehow makes you equal to Jesus- who is definitely not God? Come on man. You’re just repeating a bunch of cult nonsense. There’s no real substance to anything you’re saying, nothing new anyway. It seems like a mix of new age woo, and Judaism, with a gnostic twist. For the record, I’m with you on keeping the commandments. Far far far too many “Christians” (myself included) rely on cheap grace as a substitute for daily crucifixion of our flesh. But, you seem to be implying that salvation is acquired by keeping the law. Which explains your disdain for the Apostle of Jesus Christ- Paul. Have you studied the entire Bible? Do you not see a meta narrative that begins in Genesis and ends in Revelation? Do you really not see the beauty in (there is no greater love), and the necessity of Jesus’s life, crucifixion and resurrection?
I'm not your savior, your teacher, or your salesman. You asked my opinion on things and I gave you an honest answer.
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Your plan of salvation relies solely upon your ability to keep the commandments. But it fails to account for how you will pay your debt- for the innumerable times you have fallen short of the perfect standard of a Holy God- with each of those infractions incurring a “life” sentence. Adds up fast. What then will you offer to the Creator of all things? You have nothing that doesn’t already belong to Him. You need Jesus. We all do.
You don't have to be a perfect person to keep the commandments. Stop confusing the laws of man with the laws of God. And regardless of whatever my shortcomings may or not be, that doesn't change the fact.
How do you think you are going to be in a heavenly society if you can't keep the commandments? If it was all that simple, you wouldn't be here to begin with.
Posted on 7/5/25 at 8:28 pm to Night Vision
Well I guess they’re both the same in a sense that they’re both spiritual. Only difference is one is from God and the other is from Satan
Posted on 7/5/25 at 9:42 pm to 3down10
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I'm not your savior, your teacher, or your salesman. You asked my opinion on things and I gave you an honest answer.
So, this is just your opinion? I thought you had a revelation from God. Can you explain that to me?
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You don't have to be a perfect person to keep the commandments
No, but you have to keep the commandments, perfectly, in order to escape judgement. No?
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Stop confusing the laws of man with the laws of God.
How am I doing this? What do you consider the laws of God and the laws of man?
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How do you think you are going to be in a heavenly society if you can't keep the commandments?
That’s a very good question. The only answer I can give is- justification is instant, but sanctification is a process; that culminates in a resurrected body. As Paul lays out in 1 Corinthians 15:
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory .
Posted on 7/5/25 at 11:05 pm to Prodigal Son
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So, this is just your opinion? I thought you had a revelation from God. Can you explain that to me?
You are starting to annoy me. You're not looking for answers, you're just doing the same thing the Pharisees did to Jesus and try to trip him up by distorting things being said.
Knowledge of the holy is understanding. There is only 1 true teacher and it's not a man. It's impossible for men, who are reduced to labels and language for communication to give in the same way. What you call the holy spirit will give you understanding.
Maybe try asking God for a change instead of other people. Seek and you will find, but what are you really seeking? Real answers or confirmation of what you've already accepted? It is said you must be like a child, and a child asks without bias, only seeking the truth.
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No, but you have to keep the commandments, perfectly, in order to escape judgement. No?
It was never presented to me in the form of judgement. It was just the understanding of what is required of someone who lives in a society without evil. Again, if you do evil, you can not be in a society without evil. AKA the path. No fear mongering.
So I mean I guess if you fail to do those things then there is a "judgement". But then there is a lot more to it. I mean you have people poor in spirit, easily manipulated, and it's those who manipulate them that kind of take the brunt. If otherwise not manipulated, they may have not done things. I can't tell your heart. I do know that when those people see they've been manipulated they will obviously change/fix and do right. I don't think 99.9% of the earth is going to hell. I think there will be an awakening and many people will gain understanding. And that will be when the truth returns. We are here for a reason, you can call it a school for learning good and evil, a prison or a mental hospital. All depends on your perspective I guess. Those with understanding who knowingly go against it are the ones that are in trouble.
And no, you don't have to keep them perfectly your entire life, people can be redeemed. But it's by seeing the errors in your ways and fixing them, no longer doing that. That's what understanding does, it heals you. So maybe you'll fall to the side from time to time, but like anything else the more you do it, the better you'll get at it. Just make sure you're not asking for a blind eye.
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How am I doing this? What do you consider the laws of God and the laws of man?
The laws of God are the commandments, of which Jesus sums up in 2. All the others are laws of men, and/or just a good idea for your health and longevity. You don't need to be this perfect human to keep the commandments, you just need to treat people right. The biggest way we sin is via government really.
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That’s a very good question. The only answer I can give is- justification is instant, but sanctification is a process; that culminates in a resurrected body. As Paul lays out in 1 Corinthians 15:
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory .
More Paul.
This post was edited on 7/5/25 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 7/6/25 at 12:00 pm to 3down10
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You are starting to annoy me
Not my intention. I apologize. I’m just trying to cut through the fat, and get to the bones of your position. I have no ill will towards you- just the unbiblical idea that anyone can enter heaven- apart from Christ, and based solely on our actions/inactions.
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You're not looking for answers, you're just doing the same thing the Pharisees did to Jesus and try to trip him up by distorting things being said.
No, I am looking for answers. You’re just dancing around my questions. It’s also very telling, that you see yourself as Jesus in this analogy. - and see actual Christians (like Foo and me) as the Pharisees. I’m not trying to trip you up- I’m asking questions to try and understand your position. Moreover, it’s not the fact that the Pharisees were asking questions that was problematic. It was that they were, in fact, rejecting the Truth- Jesus Christ. That’s not what’s happening here. What’s happening here, is you’re claiming that one’s salvation depends solely upon their actions (which is what every religion other than Christianity teaches) while neglecting to explain your abandonment of THE central theme of Christianity- Christ’s work on the cross.
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Knowledge of the holy is understanding. There is only 1 true teacher and it's not a man. It's impossible for men, who are reduced to labels and language for communication to give in the same way. What you call the holy spirit will give you understanding.
Amen! I agree. Now- did what you would say I would call the Holy Spirit tell you that your salvation depends on you- and not on Christ? Did it also tell you to abandon His written revelation to us (the Bible)?
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Maybe try asking God for a change instead of others
Well, you’re saying something that contradicts what God has spoken to us, through His Son. (Hebrews 1:1-2)
So I’m asking you for clarification of your positions. Come on man. Bear with me, please.
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It is said you must be like a child, and a child asks without bias, only seeking the truth.
Who said that again?
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More Paul.
I skipped over a lot of your post; because I think this is where the problem lies. So, you don’t accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and you refuse to listen to the apostle of Jesus Christ (Paul) that God ordained to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the gentiles. Based on what?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 2:09 pm to Prodigal Son
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Not my intention. I apologize. I’m just trying to cut through the fat, and get to the bones of your position. I have no ill will towards you- just the unbiblical idea that anyone can enter heaven- apart from Christ, and based solely on our actions/inactions.
Again, you keep talking about Jesus as an idol instead of what he represents.
It's like telling me only by math can you learn how to do something, but then you're entire view of math is just 1+1=2 and not the actual understanding of math. 1+1=2 is useless if you don't understand math, and worshipping the expression/idol instead of learning math is foolish.
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No, I am looking for answers. You’re just dancing around my questions. It’s also very telling, that you see yourself as Jesus in this analogy. - and see actual Christians (like Foo and me) as the Pharisees. I’m not trying to trip you up- I’m asking questions to try and understand your position. Moreover, it’s not the fact that the Pharisees were asking questions that was problematic. It was that they were, in fact, rejecting the Truth- Jesus Christ. That’s not what’s happening here. What’s happening here, is you’re claiming that one’s salvation depends solely upon their actions (which is what every religion other than Christianity teaches) while neglecting to explain your abandonment of THE central theme of Christianity- Christ’s work on the cross.
Because you belong to the religion of Saul the Pharisee, not Jesus. You take issue because I say the same things as Jesus, such as keep the commandments, not all the things Paul says. Just like the Pharisees took issue with Jesus.
I didn't force you to do those things, you choose to.
The cross is the death of truth, murdered by the lie in order to keep the lie alive. The lie will live until the truth returns.
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Amen! I agree. Now- did what you would say I would call the Holy Spirit tell you that your salvation depends on you- and not on Christ? Did it also tell you to abandon His written revelation to us (the Bible)?
Once again you do not understand. It doesn't tell you anything, in fact the only spoken language I heard was being asked a single question, and my response. That was it. So if you think the holy spirit is something that sits down and reads the bible with you, then you are mistaken. In fact, it doesn't even call itself a name or anything, it just is. I don't really think of it as separate from God, it's just that you can't see God in full and I recognize the same things mentioned as the holy spirit doing. But these labels are just how we have to communicate, it doesn't communicate to you in that way.
In fact, I had no idea Jesus said these things in terms of understanding it that way. I didn't explain these things in a biblical sense at all. It was only after I tried explaining things to people that they said - oh, that's here in the bible and so forth. I gained understanding before I know Jesus said it. I just recognize what Jesus is saying and I recognize the father in him. I know what he says is true, and I know it's not the same thing as worshiping an idol.
Sorry, but you are just way off in what you think happens. It's almost like the Matrix where they load programs into people directly. But instead of Kung fu, it's understanding about these things. You just suddenly understand things.
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Well, you’re saying something that contradicts what God has spoken to us, through His Son. (Hebrews 1:1-2)
So I’m asking you for clarification of your positions. Come on man. Bear with me, please.
Paul is God? Why do you constantly quote single bible verses?
At any rate, when you stop sinning, you are purging your sins.
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Who said that again?
Jesus. Matthew 7, Matthew 18. And I suggest reading the entire chapters, not a few cherry picked verses. Much if it is applicable here beyond the specific question.
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I skipped over a lot of your post; because I think this is where the problem lies. So, you don’t accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and you refuse to listen to the apostle of Jesus Christ (Paul) that God ordained to bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the gentiles. Based on what?
What do you accept all that as fact? You just keep asserting this as fact because it's what you've accepted. And then you act like I'm just also supposed to accept it - contrary to my actual experiences.
As far as the idol Jesus - I do not accept that. If you mean the Truth, the Way and the Light, and that Jesus is a true expression of that, then I do.
As for Paul, I just don't see the father in him. I see what I was taught not to do - put all emphasis on the labels/idols and not the understanding.
And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 3:46 pm to 3down10
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Again, you keep talking about Jesus as an idol instead of what he represents.
Jesus is not an idol. He doesn’t represent the way, truth and light- He IS those things.
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It's like telling me only by math can you learn how to do something, but then you're entire view of math is just 1+1=2 and not the actual understanding of math.
Math is a language, created by God and discoverable by men, that describes the physical properties of the universe. Jesus is God. He is the embodiment of all that is good. I think your analogy is insufficient.
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Because you belong to the religion of Saul
I really would like to know more about why you believe this.
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You take issue because I say the same things as Jesus, such as keep the commandments, not all the things Paul says. Just like the Pharisees took issue with Jesus.
The only things I take issue with is, that you have said, is Jesus Christ is not God, that salvation is completely performance (your own) dependent, and the Bible is not the inspired word of God. I’m with you on the expectation of keeping the commandments, the hypocrisy and perversion of Christianity by Christians, and probably would agree on a great many issues surrounding the institution as it appears today. BUT, those are not the metrics by which Christianity should be judged.
I take issue because you take Jesus’s words and use them against Him.
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The cross is the death of truth, murdered by the lie in order to keep the lie alive. The lie will live until the truth returns.
You keep repeating this vague Kamala-speak. Please explain this. I’m guessing you can’t. Because… “labels”… ?
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It doesn't tell you anything, in fact the only spoken language I heard was being asked a single question, and my response. That was it.
I’ll indulge. Though, I am growing weary of your troll. It lacks any real substance. So- what was the question? What was your response?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 3:50 pm to Prodigal Son
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I’ll indulge. Though, I am growing weary of your troll. It lacks any real substance. So- what was the question? What was your response?
Deez Nutz
Posted on 7/6/25 at 3:51 pm to 3down10
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Deez Nutz
Got ‘em.
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