re: JD Vance says US will "WALK AWAY" if Russia and Ukraine don't come to a ceasefire deal

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"Any support"

Support could be food, medicine, money, arms, hookers and blow... Who knows. You're the one making blanket statements.

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All of these involve US citizens being there.

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I think that’s kind of the point.

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You think the point is to give Russia, the whip hand in negotiations?

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Whats the logical way this plays out without Russia getting more territory?

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The only way it happens is if Putin desires and demands an immediate peace and Ukraine accepts it. But Putin, being in the driver’s seat of this war, has to offer it. That’s it without the West truly getting involved. Supplies are one thing, boots on the ground are another. The people applauding us “walking away” have to hope that Putin wants that. They’re putting faith into Putin to negotiate in good faith and have no additional ambition to conquer more territory. Make of that whatever you will but that’s what they’re doing. Maybe they’re right and the war ends and life goes on. But if he doesn’t you have a larger humanitarian crisis from the Ukrainian lands being taken over, refugees and everything that comes with that and of course more death on all sides. Russia will have greater control over Ukrainian crops and REEs (rare earth elements).

Should have walked away the day Trump took office.

LSU Russian big mad over this

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It’s a green light for Russia to do what they please. If Putin chooses peace he’ll get it. If he chooses to continue the war he’ll do that and get more territory.

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That’s been the status quo for a while now.

The thought among types that include John Mearsheimer is that Russia will stop at the Dnieper and Odessa could be occupied

Good, time for us to walk away.

The deal was that Ukraine would never become a part of NATO. Sleepy Joe and the Actor kept poking the bear knowing what they were doing. Putin felt threatened and went in. Israel does the same. They poke the bear and make it look like there the good guys when in fact there not.

You cant say if another Cuban missile crisis were to happen the US wouldn’t invade Cuba. The US would be doing the same! They would invade anywhere and anyone they felt threatened by. Especially if someone was putting Nukes in our backyard.

I'm just catching up on this. What a cluster.

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Setback For U.S. 'Ceasefire' Deal In Ukraine
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, presidential envoy Steve Witkoff, several foreign ministers from Europe and the Ukrainian President Zelenski were supposed to meet in London today.

The Trump administration had planned this to be a final meeting over a ceasefire in Ukraine. A U.S. proposal for the ceasefire were to be discussed and accepted.

But Zelenski bailed out and the proposed meeting fell apart. According to the Independent Zelenski had feared to be "ambushed":

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Other media are vague about the reasons to downgrade the talks. There is generally no common line in the media reporting of the issue. Axios claims that Ukraine rejected to negotiate a longer term ceasefire and instead only offered a shorter term:

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The U.S. ceasefire plan includes several points which either the Ukrainians, the Europeans or the Russians were certain to reject.

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Zelenski does not want to concede any territory. He also does not want to sign the mineral deal which would eliminate all sovereign decisions abut Ukraine's resources. A longer war, during which billions of dollars and Euros keep flowing, is the best deal for him.

At least some Europeans still want to 'win' against Russia. They reject any lifting of sanctions. They want to insert 'peacekeepers' into Ukraine but only with U.S. backing.

Russia wants a bigger deal, not just a ceasefire in Ukraine, but a new European security architecture.

Claims by the Financial Times that Russia is willing to stop the war and to give up on its larger aims of demilitarizing and denazification of Ukraine have been rejected by Moscow. Russia will also not give up control of the nuclear power station in Zaporizhzhia.

The U.S. acceptance of Crimea as Russian territory is an interesting point but likely based on an ulterior motive. It would lift sanctions on Crimea and allow U.S. companies to take part in the exploitation of natural gas fields around it.

There is little the U.S. can do for now to press for a compromise. The best and most likely move is for Trump to wash his hands over Ukraine and walk away.

This would fit the larger plan of leaving the struggle with Russia to the Europeans while the U.S. will concentrate its forces in Asia for a potential conflict with China.

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