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re: JD Vance explains how President Reagan made California a permanently blue state
Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:47 pm to Timeoday
Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:47 pm to Timeoday
quote:Most of the things Reagan gets criticized for passed Congress in un-vetoable margins.
Reagan had to deal with an democrat House and Senate.
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Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:48 pm to kingbob
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Reagan had a LOT of flaws. Immigration was one of the biggest.
I thought labeling amnesty as his fatal flaw in my initial post laid the groundwork that there were non fatal flaws as well.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:49 pm to TigerRoyale
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Gun control came about with Reagan over the fear of armed minorities in urban areas. He also punted on the issue of immigration. We all love The Gipper but he did those who came after him a terrible disservice.
Don't forget about taxing SS.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:51 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Reagan fricked a lot of shite up in 1986. Immigration bill is #1and Hughes amendment is a close #2.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:51 pm to Taxing Authority
Exactly. Congressmen will always protect the House until they become a Senator, VP, or President.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:54 pm to timdonaghyswhistle
GHWB is why it is today. He was the ultimate RINO.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 4:56 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
I am not sure I buy Vance's argument.
I am not defending Reagan's amnesty, I am just not sure it was really the cause of California turning blue.
Texas and California have had similar Hispanic populations at least since the 80s up to the present day. Yet Texas turned red at roughly the same time California went blue - the early to mid 90s.
Why the difference?
I am not defending Reagan's amnesty, I am just not sure it was really the cause of California turning blue.
Texas and California have had similar Hispanic populations at least since the 80s up to the present day. Yet Texas turned red at roughly the same time California went blue - the early to mid 90s.
Why the difference?
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:01 pm to TigerRoyale
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Gun control came about with Reagan over the fear of armed minorities in urban areas.
They allowed the Hughes amendment attached to the Firearms protection act in 1986. A little history on this issue. The FPA 1986 allowed the USPS to accept shipment of ammo, long gun sales to neighboring states and protection of people traveling state to state with legal firearms. All good.
The bad. The Hughes amendment was attached late in the night of passing the bill. It made the transfer of machine guns illegal between individuals after the President signed it. The POS NRA went along with it. There wasn’t an issue with registered MG being used in crimes. As a matter of fact the instance of it is so low that ATF doesn’t even track it.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:03 pm to JimEverett
quote:Reagan never ran on amnesty. It wasn't his idea (like many of the things listed in this thread).
I am not defending Reagan's amnesty, I am just not sure it was really the cause of California turning blue.
The biggest cause of CA turning blue was the rise of sanctuary cities--because the federal government never came through by later Congresses on promised funding for detained people local law enforcement encountered. That's still a problem today as Congress still doesn't fund it, and CBP doesn't pick people up, so the they are just turned loose.
quote:TX didn't have the budget crisis from "free" giveaway programs that CA did. So locals were better funded. That's changing rapidly. Most of the large metro areas in TX will immediately release any suspected illegal as soon as they get to the jail. It's a pretty sweet deal.
Texas and California have had similar Hispanic populations at least since the 80s up to the present day. Yet Texas turned red at roughly the same time California went blue - the early to mid 90s.
Why the difference?
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:23 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
OK, I like Vance but he is wrong about Reagan "destroying mental health." (He is right about Reagan's amnesty, though).
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:33 pm to Love me some Les
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GHWB is why it is today. He was the ultimate RINO.
That was his biggest flaw. He chickened out and picked Bush rather than another conservative to back him up.
He beat Carter with about 45 states - he didn't need to compromise with anybody.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:46 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
A one time amnesty created by a bi paristan committee did not make California blue. 10's of Millions of immigrants since then did.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 6:13 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Reagan took the bait and was lied to and duped. The Dems never delivered their half of the bargain. Tip O'Neill lied to him.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:38 pm to TigerRoyale
quote:
JD Vance explains how President Reagan made California a permanently blue state
quote:
Gun control came about with Reagan over the fear of armed minorities in urban areas
Having the black Panthers parading in the streets with long guns was not a good look.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:03 pm to kingbob
quote:
Reagan had a LOT of flaws. Immigration was one of the biggest.
He led on raising the drinking age to 21. That never set well with me.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:36 pm to GumboPot
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Didn’t Reagan grant amnesty with some immigration reform handshake deal that the dems reneged on? This is true. I forget the details.
Same thing happened with raising taxes-the Dems promised to cut spending if Reagan raised taxes with a hand shake agreement and of course the cutting spending never actually happened.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:43 pm to USAFTiger42
The beginning of the Corporations before the people politics
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:47 pm to ItNeverRains
I posted that this year
Between amnesty, open trade, and closing mental asylums Raegan was a terrible president
Between amnesty, open trade, and closing mental asylums Raegan was a terrible president
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