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Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:12 pm to cwill
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He should quit his job with the NFL and then he can say whatever he wants.
If he quits he doesn't get paid. I would make them fire me. First game of the year coach backwards. Call the exact opposite of what you would do and keep doing it until they fire you.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:12 pm to cwill
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The owner.
He still has to violated some sort of rule, and while I haven't seen the Washington Redskins employee code of conduct, I'd be shocked if there was anything in there that Del Rio's comments offended.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:17 pm to cwill
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Doesn’t make them the government.
Check out:
Rust v. Sullivan. 1991.
NEA v. Finley. 1998.
United States v. ALA. 2003.
There is a string of Case law where private entities receive public funding and that Government is "allowed" to restrict speech (ex: porn filters on Library computers).
The counter argument can be made on these cases. There is going to at least be public funding for transit for the franchise. If I was a civil attorney in the DMV area I might want to go after the NFL and Washington for a few Million. I think there is a case there for sure.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:19 pm to BKellyno
Private companies have a code Of conduct. While I wholeheartedly agree with Coach, he shouldn’t have been baited into that conversation while on the job.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:24 pm to geauxbrown
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Private companies have a code Of conduct. While I wholeheartedly agree with Coach, he shouldn’t have been baited into that conversation while on the job.
The problem most normal people have is that, had he said the opposite, he would have been Ok. Even cheered.
The bigger picture here is this is step one to controlling the opposition. You know what comes after censorship, right?
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:46 pm to cwill
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You think and NFL job is like your job working in an office? Or what if you said something away from the office but it roiled the office and affected productivity - could your employer fire you? In what world do you think your opinions and speech are immune from any consequences?
you are quite talented straddling both sides of this fence, is the post shoved up in there real nice?
kneeling on the field during the anthem -- "ok, because free speech"
tweeting an opinion counter to that narrative -- "fine and mandatory apology, because not everything is free"
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:48 pm to Bulldogblitz
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kneeling on the field during the anthem -- "ok, because free speech"
tweeting an opinion counter to that narrative -- "fine and mandatory apology, because not everything is free"
If only I had posted anything remotely similar. I think you may have something "shoved up in there real nice".
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:50 pm to cwill
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If only I had posted anything remotely similar.
nope, not in a single post, but you are throughout this thread swapping sides like you're life is depending on who is reading your one encapsulated thought.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:50 pm to cwill
If there isn’t employer protection for political affiliation being a protected class, the only option I see for a suit would be if there is some written policy regarding making political statements that has not been applied equally.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:54 pm to CountryVolFan
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Rust v. Sullivan. 1991.
Sued based on the grant restrictions - nothing to do with a private company being sued that recieved fed funding.
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NEA v. Finley
Artists suing the NEA based on the grant procedure - nothing to do with pvt cos.
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United States v. ALA
Involved public libraries.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:56 pm to BBONDS25
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If there isn’t employer protection for political affiliation being a protected class, the only option I see for a suit would be if there is some written policy regarding making political statements that has not been applied equally.
No political class protection. Va and Md are at-will employment jurisdictions.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:57 pm to Bulldogblitz
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but you are throughout this thread swapping sides like you're life is depending
It should be really easy to back your assertion with quotes from my posts. Do it.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:00 pm to cwill
Good grief you are being intentionally oblivious to the argument.
We have 5-4 Pro free Speech SCOTUS. I'd try my hand at making law if the money was right. The money might be right if I could keep the NFL as a defendant. I think it could happen.
We have 5-4 Pro free Speech SCOTUS. I'd try my hand at making law if the money was right. The money might be right if I could keep the NFL as a defendant. I think it could happen.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:02 pm to cwill
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No political class protection. Va and Md are at-will employment jurisdictions.
At-will has nothing to do with it. Even at-will jurisdictions cannot discriminate any protected classes. However, political affiliation does not appear to be protected in those jurisdictions. That is why I said:
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If there isn’t employee protection for political affiliation being a protected class, the only option I see for a suit would be if there is some written policy regarding making political statements that has not been applied equally.
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Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:06 pm to BBONDS25
I prefer a world where voicing a rather mundane political opinion that is likely held by roughly half the population is not grounds for such "corporate consternation," but I guess that ship has long sailed.
Who really likes this world so much better?
Who really likes this world so much better?
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:16 pm to BBONDS25
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At-will has nothing to do with it. Even at-will jurisdictions cannot discriminate any protected classes. However, political affiliation does not appear to be protected in those jurisdictions. That is why I said:
Poorly written sentence on my part. I meant, there not in DC so political affiliation is not a protected class. Additionally, the team is located in at-will employment jurisdictions so I don't think you need a written policy to fire/fine.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:18 pm to cwill
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so I don't think you need a written policy to fire/fine.
Agreed, but if they do have one and don’t apply it equally there would be basis for a suit.
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:20 pm to BBONDS25
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Agreed, but if they do have one and don’t apply it equally there would be basis for a suit.
If they don't have one and don't treat employees equally, that would still be basis for a suit.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:22 pm to BKellyno
quote:I apply it to both Del Rio and Kaepernick
Apply that equally.
Freedom of speech is protection from the government. If you say something your employer doesn't like, they can discipline you. That has always been true.
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