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re: It's because people stopped going to church. They simply don't know right from wrong.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 7:22 am to geauxkoo
Posted on 9/19/25 at 7:22 am to geauxkoo
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"Thou Shalt not Kill". I mean that's pretty simple to understand. There's no qualifier after the word "Kill".
Wrong. Check any biblical concordance and the Hebrew word used in exodus 20:13 “ratsach” means an unjustified or immoral killing - in most bibles this is translated as “murder”. So the qualifier is only unjustified killing is against the law.
Check the next chapter, exodus 21, and there’s a whole slew of scenarios where Yahweh commands you to kill or “to put to death” those who curse their parents and those who had a known a-hole ox that gores another person - the ox and the owner are to be killed.
I hope you learned something.
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Posted on 9/19/25 at 7:29 am to WWII Collector
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Since they believe there is no God, then there will be no punishment from God.
I know a lot of Christians who believe Jesus was the ultimate atonement sacrifice for their sins (and that they are sinful and can’t help it since they are imperfect - hey it’s what the Bible says anyway). Jesus was punished so that they don’t need to be. So my take is that it is the Christians (at least some unlike Catholics) who believe the Christians will not face punishment from God even those who have greatly sinned.
I know the Bible is very inconsistent on this subject but just thought I would point it out that many Christians believe the opposite of what you stated, that because there IS a God (their belief, not mine) that there will be no punishment from God (as long as they accept Jesus as their savior and believe in him, no good deeds necessary, many sins OK).
Posted on 9/19/25 at 7:48 am to SallysHuman
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There is no morality without a standard, the standard is the Word.
There is morality and it’s relative and subjective and there is an entire field of study called “ethics” on the subject.
There’s no objective standard contained within the Bible because there’s no objectivity contained within it. It’s that simple. Is it moral to kill innocent babies? Let’s check.
Yes. (1 Samuel 15:3)
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Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
No, at least not unjustified killing. (Exodus 20:13)
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You shall not murder.
Yes. (Hosea 13:6)
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Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword; their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
So there is no objective standard on killing babies within the Bible. Remember Yahweh also commands each family to sacrificed their firstborn as a burnt offering on the eighth day of its life. And he also doesn’t command child sacrifice. And he brags about commanding child sacrifice so that they will know Yahweh is Yahweh, and he also detests child sacrifice and says he never commanded it.
So killing babies is not permitted, unless it is justified or if Yahweh commands it. And Yahweh commanding it is out of your control. So all that’s left is that killing babies is morally permissible if it is justified and it is not permissible if unjustified.
So it’s up to you to determine whether the killing of babies is justified. It defaults to your own opinion. That’s subjective moral relativism, even if most people agree killing babies is not justified under any circumstance. But there is no standard. What you are calling the Word - the Logos - you believe to be the same deity from the old testament who couldn’t make up his mind on killing children but he sure did seem to enjoy the killing of children and smelling their burnt flesh on his altars.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:02 am to geauxkoo
God’s moral law is “common sense”, for sure, because the law is written on our hearts as image-bearers of God. He created us as moral beings to reflect His own moral nature, so we have an innate knowledge of good and evil. Our sinful natures cloud that knowledge and we suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
We need the Bible to clarify what we already know to be true and to orient our thinking about sin. That is why Christians need to share the gospel with others, so that they can be clearly confronted with God’s law and been shown to be law-breakers worthy of condemnation, and yet offered forgiveness through Jesus Christ by faith.
We need the Bible to clarify what we already know to be true and to orient our thinking about sin. That is why Christians need to share the gospel with others, so that they can be clearly confronted with God’s law and been shown to be law-breakers worthy of condemnation, and yet offered forgiveness through Jesus Christ by faith.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:06 am to geauxkoo
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It's because people stopped going to church.
Church is not some magic pill and there are plenty of churches that spew nonsense.
It is the destruction of the family unit - college scam, destruction of communities, lack of fathers in the home that all started in the 70s.
Church had nothing to do with it. Nothing wrong with going to church, but not the reason.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:09 am to AUTigerking
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
Let’s break that down, showing where the English translation purposely omitted a definite article and an indefinite article.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with (the) God, and the Word was (a) god.
Now in Greek, the word order sometimes is very flexible, but it’s worth noting the word order is as such.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with (the) God, and (a) god was the Word.
And so secular scholars typically translate John 1:1 as follows:
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and divine was the Word.
That’s because where the Greek says “the God” (instead of a god) they use capital G God because the author is talking about a specific God, the father, the God. Where the author doesn’t use a definite article (indefinite articles don’t exist in Koine Greek) then he isn’t talking about a specific deity anymore, he’s talking about “a” god aka a deity.
For reference - Dialog with Trypho, chapter 56, Justin Martyr writes:
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I shall not say that the Christ is another God and Lord beside the Creator of all — not because He is another, but because He is numerically distinct, yet not different in will.
Philo of Alexandria - a Jew and not a Christian but living during the time of Pontius Pilate - wrote the Logos - the Word - was another god, a subordinate god, who shared God’s will and was made of the same substance of God and one in purpose.
These early Christians and pre-Christians believed the Word was another deity, and that’s how John 1:1 taken literally makes the most sense. You have to take the Bible in its proper context.
Or you can be like most Christians imposing your dogma onto the Bible to make the Bible a slave to your own beliefs rather than actually taking the Bible seriously. Choice is yours, it’s a free country!
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:13 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:why do you only participate in threads about Religion?
Squirrelmeister
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:40 am to Diamondawg
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If tweet fails to load, click here. this is scary to me. i have always respected prestonwood baptist but i would leave that church after seeing that.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:51 am to Diamondawg
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why do you only participate in threads about Religion?
I wonder this too.
If you're not religious, why care what religious people think?
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:04 am to geauxkoo
No parents, no leadership, no discipline....
There way too many unsupervised young people, period.
There way too many unsupervised young people, period.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:30 am to geauxkoo
Don’t get me wrong here, I think we all need to get into and become an active member of a biblical church body, but even more than that, much much more than that, we need to immerse ourselves in the word of God on a daily basis, not as a qualifier for some work we do for salvation, but rather to have God change our wiring in how we think.
This world pumps unrelenting Godless garbage in our heads all day long, and so without the word of God keeping us close to Him and His truths being foremost on our minds, the world’s message affects us, our walk with God, and closeness with Him.
We have to feed our spirit more than we feed our flesh or one will triumph over the other and our spiritual starves. I don’t think going to church one day a week just by itself is enough to keep us strong in this world if nothing else, to be triumphant we need His word on our minds. I know it isn’t for me. I’m weak, but be it through reading the word, or at least hearing the word in a devotional, podcast, online teaching or the like once a day I feel much stronger and closer to God, Him being my strength rather than me trying to do it alone.
If we do that, we will not only change the world, but the word will change us and our personal lives with truth, peace, and strength.
I say this with a literal mirror in front of me. I think it boils down to what we take into our minds to what we will get out in our lives
This world pumps unrelenting Godless garbage in our heads all day long, and so without the word of God keeping us close to Him and His truths being foremost on our minds, the world’s message affects us, our walk with God, and closeness with Him.
We have to feed our spirit more than we feed our flesh or one will triumph over the other and our spiritual starves. I don’t think going to church one day a week just by itself is enough to keep us strong in this world if nothing else, to be triumphant we need His word on our minds. I know it isn’t for me. I’m weak, but be it through reading the word, or at least hearing the word in a devotional, podcast, online teaching or the like once a day I feel much stronger and closer to God, Him being my strength rather than me trying to do it alone.
If we do that, we will not only change the world, but the word will change us and our personal lives with truth, peace, and strength.
I say this with a literal mirror in front of me. I think it boils down to what we take into our minds to what we will get out in our lives
This post was edited on 9/19/25 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:51 am to Squirrelmeister
Jehovah’s Witness?
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:59 am to geauxkoo
Maybe so, but younger people also went to church and saw morally bankrupt people in the pews. They saw people who would praise the name of God on Sunday, and be downright shitty from monday-Saturday. They saw older folks gossip and tear down others.
Jesus is amazing, Christianity the ideology is amazing, the church though...it can be a vile place. Take the catholic church as a similar example of what may be from good may not always be good. What was started from the disciples themselves turned into the world largest terrorist organization, taking advantage of the illiterate for $, and killing non believers.
Jesus is amazing, Christianity the ideology is amazing, the church though...it can be a vile place. Take the catholic church as a similar example of what may be from good may not always be good. What was started from the disciples themselves turned into the world largest terrorist organization, taking advantage of the illiterate for $, and killing non believers.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 10:00 am to SallysHuman
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I wonder this too.
If you're not religious, why care what religious people think?
Maybe he's interested in the historical development of religious beliefs.
I find his thoughts interesting. It's better than an echo chamber. Why not research his statements? Maybe you'll find them unpersuasive. Maybe doing so will deepen your faith. At the very least, they should make you ask questions.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 10:04 am to Mo Jeaux
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Why not research his statements? Maybe you'll find them unpersuasive. Maybe doing so will deepen your faith. At the very least, they should make you ask questions.
I've gone down the rabbit hole with him before. His schtick is to just try to prove people wrong or showcase the evils of religion or the Bible.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:01 pm to AUTigerking
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Jehovah’s Witness?
They’re one of the few translations that get John 1:1 correct.
Another example is The Bible: An American Translation by Edgar Goodspeed - his sect rejected church traditions and creeds and focused on sola scriptura and wanted to get the Bible correct.
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In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:12 pm to geauxkoo
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It's because people stopped going to church. They simply don't know right from wrong.
Wrong. It starts in the home. Always has. Always will.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:20 pm to Squirrelmeister
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They’re one of the few translations that get John 1:1 correct. Another example is The Bible: An American Translation by Edgar Goodspeed - his sect rejected church traditions and creeds and focused on sola scriptura and wanted to get the Bible correct.
Ok. We can debate the Trinity, but that has nothing to do with this. Regardless of whether the Word is God or was with God at the beginning, it was still there. You admit it’s divine. So we have had a divine moral authority from the beginning
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:40 pm to geauxkoo
When you don’t believe in God, you’re more inclined to become egotistical as you think there is no Judgement Day and no one to answer to. It’s just all about yourself. Less compassion for others is also a side effect. Every atheist I know is self-centered and pompous. They don’t believe in our all-powerful and all- knowing God. They know it all themselves.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:43 pm to texas tortilla
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this is scary to me. i have always respected prestonwood baptist but i would leave that church after seeing that.
Why do you say that?
And why does the tweet say these people are so cooked?
Am I missing something ?
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