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re: It seems Mamoud khalil will likely win his immigration court hearing.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:59 am to RedHog260
Posted on 4/13/25 at 11:59 am to RedHog260
The definition of "Sedition" does not come close to being applicable, but I'm will to listen to your case.
The charge according to SecState Marco Rubio on behalf of the the Trump Administration is, "Damaging U.S. foreign policy interests". Not exactly"seditious". The charge in my opinion is select, frivolous and anti-1A in any case. Just like J6.
It is not "seditious" to find official US domestic AND foreign policies "disagreeable", and publicly opine on it. (Unless we are already a Banana Republic.)
The charge according to SecState Marco Rubio on behalf of the the Trump Administration is, "Damaging U.S. foreign policy interests". Not exactly"seditious". The charge in my opinion is select, frivolous and anti-1A in any case. Just like J6.
It is not "seditious" to find official US domestic AND foreign policies "disagreeable", and publicly opine on it. (Unless we are already a Banana Republic.)
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Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:04 pm to RedHog260
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Since they are only allowed to read one book, the Koran which they learn to read on, that they are taught hate before the age of 5 and taught that stabbing/murdering non Palestinians is what their god wants don't you think they deserve somewhat rougher treatment?
Quite a bit of hate and animus is taught and practiced generationally in the ME. This should not be the US's beef. Many people don't seem to want to discuss any of it.
The Koran is antithetical to freedom and equality. So too surprisingly is the Talmud and its 7 Noahide Laws (which should also be on your reading list.)
Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:35 pm to EphesianArmor
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The definition of "Sedition" does not come close to being applicable, but I'm will to listen to your case.
The charge according to SecState Marco Rubio on behalf of the the Trump Administration is, "Damaging U.S. foreign policy interests". Not exactly"seditious". The charge in my opinion is select, frivolous and anti-1A in any case. Just like J6.
It is not "seditious" to find official US domestic AND foreign policies "disagreeable", and publicly opine on it. (Unless we are already a Banana Republic.)
You apparently are poorly informed on his activities.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 12:52 pm to RedHog260
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You apparently are poorly informed on his activities.
Ok. Then simply kindly tell me what the so-called charges of "seditious" activities are. (Marco Rubio doesn't claim "Sedition" fwiw.)
So exactly how is one noisy protester in this case so "damaging to foreign policy"?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:11 pm to EphesianArmor
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So exactly how is one noisy protester in this case so "damaging to foreign policy"?
Not damaging but Hamas has been a designated terrorist organization since the 90’s. So his activities run counter to US policy and that is before all of his shenanigans organizing protests which have gotten violent in a lot of instances.
He is not entitled to a visa which something you seem a hard time grasping and it can be revoked for any reason……and there is sufficient reason…..and before you start arguing about that it doesn’t matter he can have his visa revoked and Rubio has decided that this rabble rouser is no longer welcome. He is entitled to free speech but he is not entitled to remain in this country and it was assessed that given all of his activities he is no longer welcome to stay.
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:42 pm to 14&Counting
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Not damaging but Hamas has been a designated terrorist organization since the 90’s....
Appreciate the response and explanations from your perspective.
"Damaging to foreign policy" isn't my words, but Rubio's words. He still hasn't clarified or proven his case.
Hamas, designated as a 'terrorist org" serves its purpose, doesn't it?
It is said to be financed BY the israeli govt. Same of Al Qaeda and others. (Let it be said that whatever "Hamas" is or isn't, they do NOT represent the people of Gaza or Palestine; the slaughter of innocents can in no way be justified by compassionate, Christian people.)
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...So his activities run counter to US policy and that is before all of his shenanigans organizing protests which have gotten violent in a lot of instances
What is the "US policy" being "countered" or "disagreeable" by protesters? (ANY legit violence is breaking the law. So I agree that on THAT basis individuals can and should be arrested.)
By the way, a LOT of people have been "disagreeing" with US policies, even far more violently (see Summer of Love, 2020), and ZERO arrests or indictments were pursued. STILL.
The problems highlighted here are select and "discretionary" prosecution, violation of 1A, and the myopic US policy in Gaza that dismisses their humanity and right to live in their homes in peace.
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He is not entitled to a visa which something you seem a hard time grasping and it can be revoked for any reason……and I there is sufficient reason…..and before you start arguing about that it doesn’t matter he can have his visa revoked and Rubio has decided that this rabble rouser is no longer welcome.
Revoking the guys visa isn't the problem; It's the politically-targeted framing this guy as "aiding and abetting 'terrorism'" and controlling the narrative so America's "best Ally" and their genocide in Gaza isn't spot-lighted.
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it doesn’t matter he can have his visa revoked and Rubio has decided that this rabble rouser is no longer welcome.
Of course.
You know what else is also officially "not welcome"? Criticism of Israel and so-called "anti-Semitism".
"Rabble-rousing" is a term contrived mostly by those in power.
Again, I may not agree with the way this guy protested, but he was defending rights of the innocent in Gaza.
All in all, handled very clumsily by Rubio and Trump. MAGA is stumbling.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:55 pm to RedHog260
quote:can you cite your source for this information? because it reads like total bullshite from where I’m sitting.
Since they are only allowed to read one book, the Koran which they learn to read on, that they are taught hate before the age of 5 and taught that stabbing/murdering non Palestinians is what their god wants don't you think they deserve somewhat rougher treatment? Are they sub human because of their beliefs?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 1:58 pm to EphesianArmor
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So exactly how is one noisy protester in this case so "damaging to foreign policy"?
Well he led an uprising at an Ivy League university and caused univ president to resign, damage to the buildings, multiple people arrested and a stain on the reputation of Columbia that dominated the news cycle for a few weeks to months.
So frick him, gotta go.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 2:15 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:None. According to all parties.
WHAT law has he broken?
DOJ and DHS allege Khalil failed to disclose on his green card application his employment with the British Embassy’s Syria Office beyond 2022, his role as a political affairs officer with UNRWA in 2023, and his membership in Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD). The government position is those omissions constitute willful misrepresentation justifying his deportation.
Khalil and his team don't deny the omissions. Instead they've labeled them “patently weak and pretextual.”
Posted on 4/13/25 at 5:08 pm to EphesianArmor
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defending the rights of the innocent in Gaza
There are no innocents in Gaza except for the hostages being held there
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:02 pm to Pandy Fackler
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He's here because it's not as simple as get out. He has a habeas hearing scheduled in New Jersey.
That is sweet.
Current law says we can kick him out.
Current law says it is not subject to judicial review depending upon which course of action they want to take to kick him out.
I agree we have to let this this run through the courts, but you know he is getting kicked out, I know he is getting kicked out, and everyone else knows it as well.
Everyone knows he is getting kicked out. And everyone agrees that is legal.
And yet things will run through the courts slowly wasting time and money.
And honestly, it really is almost as simple as get out depending upon who is saying it and what laws they are applying.
You know it, I know it, they know it, and he knows it.
He is being kicked out. Bye.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:13 pm to EphesianArmor
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The First Amendment already exists. (Do you mean, charge it back to when it wasn't selective? Or merely just willy-nilly selectively enforce it?)
I'm a huge first amendment supporter for American citizens.
If someone wants to come in and cause a mess, not usual a fan.
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In other words, "discretionary" LE like the J6 prosecution?
Not sure what you are talking about.
You are comparing apples to camels if you are comparing this guy to an American citizen. They have different rights to be in this country.
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Seems like such "discretion" is may violate certain civil rights or be susceptible to political and ideological influence, no?
Oh my god. The president may have discretion to do certain things that presidents have been able to do?
Look, I understand elections have consequences and all that shite. The moron that was in the white house was demented and useless, but his staff still allowed 15 million illegal people into this country benefits he could make it legal.
That is his power. I was against it. I thought it was extremely stupid, and btw, it was.
But the president has a lot of power about who gets in and who stays until they are citizens.
And he's gone.
And you know it. But you want to raise a much pain as you can to get rid of this pos.
And that is your right as a citizen. He just doesn't have the same rights that you do it you are a citizen.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:55 pm to thetempleowl
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That is sweet.
Current law says we can kick him out.
Current law says it is not subject to judicial review depending upon which course of action they want to take to kick him out.
I agree we have to let this this run through the courts, but you know he is getting kicked out, I know he is getting kicked out, and everyone else knows it as well.
Everyone knows he is getting kicked out. And everyone agrees that is legal.
And yet things will run through the courts slowly wasting time and money.
And honestly, it really is almost as simple as get out depending upon who is saying it and what laws they are applying.
You know it, I know it, they know it, and he knows it.
He is being kicked out. Bye.
Maybe. The courts will decide it.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:00 pm to Pandy Fackler
The courts will decide it.
No.
The retard courts are a co-equal branch.
The executive will decide it. And if that decision is unpopular enough there will be political ramifications.
No.
The retard courts are a co-equal branch.
The executive will decide it. And if that decision is unpopular enough there will be political ramifications.
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:03 pm to 4cubbies
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reads like total bullshite from where I’m sitting.
You're too emotionally unstable , staggeringly misinformed, and just incoherently retarded to pass judgement on anyone's opinion. There are years of evidence to that affect.
Go be stupid somewhere else.
Apparently your weak husband indulges it, so start there.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:08 pm to Turbeauxdog
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The courts will decide it.
No.
The regard courts are a co-equal branch.
The executive will decide it. And if that decision is unpopular enough there will be political ramifications.
But the courts will decide it man.
The executive branch has made a decision to deport and the courts have blocked it. He'll be granted a hearing in New Jersey, and no matter the outcome, I think both sides can appeal. If it were only the executive branch deciding this, he would be in Syria or Algeria by now. There's actually a possibility this goes to the Supreme Court.
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:34 pm to Pandy Fackler
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But the courts will decide it man.
No.
The courts will continue to erode their legitimacy.
The only thing that matter is what the executive does and what the political ramifications are.
The courts have eroded their legitimacy to the point no one serious cares about those opinions.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:40 pm to Turbeauxdog
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No.
The courts will continue to erode their legitimacy.
The only thing that matter is what the executive does and what the political ramifications are.
The courts have eroded their legitimacy to the point no one serious cares about those opinions.
Well we'll see suppose. This case will go to court and then afterwards go to court again. Legitimate or not.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:46 pm to 4cubbies
quote:No and I'm very curious as to where in hell you came up with that 4th grade analysis.
You say they deserve to be treated this way because they lost a battle.
quote:You uploaded a chart, yet you have no idea as to what it says, or whether what it says is accurate. But its says what you'd like it to, so you posted it.
Egypt already has a sizable Palestinian population. Millions already reside in Jordan.
If you are under the impression 50% of Gaza and WB Palestinians are suddenly living outside those areas and in other countries, you are incredibly gullible. The bulk of those referenced populations spilled over in the aftermath of the 1948 and 1967 wars. In the past half century ... not so much.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 9:00 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Well we'll see suppose
We'll see what the tards in robes do, derp derp derp
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