re: It seems Mamoud khalil will likely win his immigration court hearing.

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not frankly dissimilar in aggrievement from American Indians 75-150 yrs before them.
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More like 250 years before them.

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Sigh.

No Cubbies it was more like 75-150 yrs before them, as I said. The Treaty of Fort Stanwix in 1784, which set aside land for the Iroquois in New York, comprised the first of what we refer to as reservations. The Trail of Tears concluded ~100 years prior, circa 1850. The final battles of the Indian wars concluded horribly in 1890, < 60 yrs prior to the Palestinian displacement.

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Frankly, the tell in this instance though is in the refusal of fellow Muslims to allow displaced Palestinians resettlement opportunities elsewhere. Not in North Africa, not in the ME, not in Turkey, nor in Islamic Caucasus regions.
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What does this tell other than that other countries don’t want to be involved in conflicts in the Middle East?

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It tells exactly that. "Other countries don’t want to be involved in conflicts in the Middle East." Those are your words, not mine.

You're right though.

The tell is that no country is willing to bring in the Palestinians, even fractionally, because the Palestinians as a group remain hellbent on retribution, violence, terror, and have repeatedly rejected peace. So potential host countries refuse to take them. Not one! They don’t want to be involved in the conflicts which such hospitality would inevitably invite. Sad truth. The fact the WB/Gaza factions have refused to progress past anger, the second stage of grief, and move on to bargaining, depression, and acceptance leaves them societally unwanted anywhere.

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If I moved onto an Indian Reservation and started telling Native Americans what roads they can and cannot walk on, which schools their children can and cannot attend, required them to pass through 80 checkpoints when they tried to move around within their reservation, and rationed their access to fresh water and electricity, I would expect some resistance.

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Irony. Perhaps you'd Bury your Heart at Wounded Knee?

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At least you’ve stopped denying the apartheid.

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Au contraire, mon ami. My belief is you've heard others use the term in hyperbole. You don't actually understand its full meaning in application here, but you think it sounds cool, so you've chosen to invoke it. Misusing a term when hyperbolizing to make a point is one thing. Doubling down and claiming vernacular legitimacy is quite another.

I walked you through some of that in our earlier exchanges regarding Israeli Arabs as citizens, in the Knesset, voting, passports, etc. Now, that is not to say those interrelationships are perfect. They aren't. But they don't approach "apartheid."

Once again, it isn't just the Israelis refusing to amalgamate with Gaza/WB Palestinians. It's every other country in the ME as well. You laid out the reasons for that yourself. No one wants the inherent conflicts which that group guarantees. So if you're going to use the term "apartheid" as applied to the Gaza/WB group, you'd do far better to speak in terms of "Middle Eastern Apartheid." The Israeli border pre-Oct7th was certainly more open to them than were the Egyptian or Jordanian borders.

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Just fyi, this is the statute the government is relying on to deport

reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States

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Just what are those specific "serious adverse foreign policy consequences" are said to affect you and me and John Q. Public? ANYONE?

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BINGO. On the nose.

Not a supporter of Pali activism in general, don't even consider this issue as rating at all on the MAGA scale, but what we're now witnessing is bogus bullsquat.

This prosecution appears to be nothing less than providing a pre-emptive high-profile example and targeting for public "anti-Semitism" -- and damn the 1A. How actual Conservatives can't see through this nonsense is alarming.

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Me neither. I have zero sympathy for the people of Gaza or the Palestinians in general. They live in a world of pure self imposed shite. I don't care about any of that.

What I care about is that this is the United States of America and I still keep to the belief that people should be treated fairly, and in my opinion this guy hasn't been.

I don't like him. I don't like his politics and I don't like his loud mouth but to me, none of that matters.

What matters to me, is that by making Khalil a permanent US resident, the Government is essentially saying this...

You can live the rest of your life here, you can work here, you can buy a home here, you can own a gun here and you can pay taxes here. But you will live under a diluted set of 1st amendment rights. As a matter of opinion, I just don't agree with that.


I don't agree that we should allow him these other rights and responsibilities but deny him free speech. What's the point in that?

We'll allow him to access 2nd amendment rights but not 1st amendment rights? That's weird to me, and actually a bit ironic when you consider his politics and ethnicity.

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You're asking questions that need to be asked and processed by the critical thinkers this board.



Meanwhile we've got MILLIONS of Third Worlders invading & resettled on the citizen dime, tearing up the US -- but this one guy, Mamoud khalil, is deemed "threat" enough to suck all the attention & oxygen out of the State Dept. REALLY??

Something is fricky, and many of us have a good idea what the actual threats and problems are -- and it ain't "anti-Semitism."

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It's a fascinating news story, and there appear to be some strong international influences here.

Anti-semitism, much like black lives matter has become a bat to beat us all over the head with.

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He's a fricking terrorist supporter and needs to go, and he will go. Sit back and watch what America First is about.

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Don't like or support the guy, but seriously, WHAT law has he broken? Who are the "terrorists" and who are they "terrorizing"?

"America First" is about addressing AMERICAN issues and reestablishing justice, the First Amendment, our economy, and respect for the American people. This prosecution and its charges are frankly selective and reminiscent of the J6 debacle.

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You can live the rest of your life here, you can work here, you can buy a home here, you can own a gun here and you can pay taxes here. But you will live under a diluted set of 1st amendment rights. As a matter of opinion, I just don't agree with that.

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Well you don't have to agree with that, but that is in fact the rule.

If you don't like it, you will have to change the rule.

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don't agree that we should allow him these other rights and responsibilities but deny him free speech. What's the point in that?

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You don't have to agree, but you should accept current reality.

Otherwise you are no different than a transgender person yelling against reality.

If you want to change the law, that can be done.

However non citizens are here by the grace of the united states and that can be taken away at the discretion of the president and secrete of state among others.

Just between you and I, if I was in a host country, I would try to follow their rules. You cause problems why shouldn't we be able to get rid of you.

I can't believe he is still here.

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You can live the rest of your life here, you can work here, you can buy a home here, you can own a gun here and you can pay taxes here. But you will live under a diluted set of 1st amendment rights. As a matter of opinion, I just don't agree with that.


Well you don't have to agree with that, but that is in fact the rule.

If you don't like it, you will have to change the rule.

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don't agree that we should allow him these other rights and responsibilities but deny him free speech. What's the point in that?


You don't have to agree, but you should accept current reality.

Otherwise you are no different than a transgender person yelling against reality.

If you want to change the law, that can be done.

However non citizens are here by the grace of the united states and that can be taken away at the discretion of the president and secrete of state among others.

Just between you and I, if I was in a host country, I would try to follow their rules. You cause problems why shouldn't we be able to get rid of you.

I can't believe he is still here.

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Yes I know.

I know that too.

I do.

Well the courts may get in the way of that. We'll see.

He's here because it's not as simple as get out. He has a habeas hearing scheduled in New Jersey.

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If you want to change the law, that can be done.

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The First Amendment already exists. (Do you mean, charge it back to when it wasn't selective? Or merely just willy-nilly selectively enforce it?)

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However non citizens are here by the grace of the united states and that can be taken away at the discretion of the president and secrete of state among others.

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In other words, "discretionary" LE like the J6 prosecution?

Seems like such "discretion" is may violate certain civil rights or be susceptible to political and ideological influence, no?

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Surely there is an ability to appeal.

Isnt this guy the green card holder?



Yes. He's a permanent US resident, married to an American citizen with a baby on the way.

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Who says he is a permanent resident? He is not a citizen.

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did you expect me to agree with you that Palestinians are either treated equally by Israel or that Palestinians deserve to be treated as sub-human by the IDF. I’m not even sure which one you’re arguing at this point.

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Since they are only allowed to read one book, the Koran which they learn to read on, that they are taught hate before the age of 5 and taught that stabbing/murdering non Palestinians is what their god wants don't you think they deserve somewhat rougher treatment? Are they sub human because of their beliefs?