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re: It pains me how easy many of you are manipulated.

Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:50 am to
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:50 am to
They do if the POTUS operating under 13 different national emergencies tells them to. He had especially expanded powers due to Covid, actually.

I wrote a thread on it back in the day talking about his expanded powers under the Stafford Act. They were quite vast. And that's just from one of the 13 national emergencies this country has lived under since 9-11.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:52 am to
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But that's literally never happened before. Precedent matters a great deal with government.



But it's twice that you've brought it up and have been wrong for it. Say what you want, but it's an option. Trump has said as much himself. He also said they're going a different route.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:53 am to
I believe, and clearly so do most dem pundits, that there's enough smoke and enough eyes on 2024 that this type of frickery will be hard to pull off. Most are predicting a republican sweep and Trump has an excellent chance of displacing President Polygrip. Let Trump be Trump; a lightening rod who can pick off more swampers and clear a path for Ron. Ron can be so much more effective after another Trump term because he's yet to show that he's willing to roll around in the shite the way Trump will and thats exactly what we need right now.

Further, If you needed one guy to be that motherfricker who could pressure the states into cleaning up voting by the 26 midterms, who you got? Trump or Ron.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 9:56 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:55 am to
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They do if the POTUS operating under 13 different national emergencies tells them to.

Biden?

Trump isn't the POTUS
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:55 am to
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but it's an option

I never argued coups weren't an option
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:56 am to
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He's not running for any Congressional seat, though


Still being theoretical, you do not necessarily have to be an elected representative to be elected speaker.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:57 am to
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Ron can be so much more effective after another Trump term because he's yet to show that he's willing to roll around in the shite the way Trump will and thats exactly what we need right now.


This is what I love about Trump. He's a man after my own heart.

He's a fighter. And he's a damn good fighter.

I'm not going to sit here and watch while for the first time in my life we have the other side on the back foot a bunch of goddamn clowns who would have told you 3 years ago the "deep state" didn't exist tell me that I need to back off the guy who finally exposed the frickin deep state.

All of these people, each and one, are fricking morons. Now is when you attack. You need someone who will get in the shite, as you say.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:00 am to
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because he's yet to show that he's willing to roll around in the shite the way Trump will and thats exactly what we need right now.

Well there is a downside to that with Trump

See: Jan 6

Trump "fought" and ultimately it backfired really terrible from many levels
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:00 am to
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The first guy to come along in decades and actually stand up to the machine and fix shite



Oh really?


What machine did he stand up to? Name me ONE federal dept he cut the budget for or the dept he eliminated? Standing up to the machine would have SURELY consisted of not resigning the Patriot Act or the FISA legislation that the FBI used to spy on his campaign? His 'standing up' consisted of berating reporters in interviews. FACT.


What did he fix? Was it the deficit? He reduce the debt? Did he fix COVID by shutting down the economy and pushing these bullshite chemicals as 'vaccines'?

The dude was an egotistical moron that would have qualified as a Clinton era Democrat in past years. A second term for that clown would be disastrous.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:02 am to
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Well there is a downside to that with Trump

See: Jan 6



Wrong. Yet again.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:03 am to
you think dems are going to be nicer to Ron?

LOL

60 minutes, AP, Politico, etc.. have all run hit pieces on Ron already.


This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 10:05 am
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:03 am to
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What machine did he stand up to? Name me ONE federal dept he cut the budget for or the dept he eliminated?


His first order of business was to put the CIA on notice and then he cleaned out the 7th floor of the State Department.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:06 am to
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Wrong. Yet again.

They are still using Jan 6 against Trump and it will always be referenced to him and, if he runs again, they'll focus on this constantly.

You think that's good for Trump?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:07 am to
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you think dems are going to be nicer to Ron?


They have less to use in 2024, plus Trump is on another level from any other candidate
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:09 am to
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Biden?

Trump isn't the POTUS


I know it's hard, but try to keep up with the timeline of our discussion. We were discussing the actions Trump took on his way out the door. No, not Biden, Trump. Trump was operating under 13 different national emergencies when he enacted continuity of government plans.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 10:10 am
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:14 am to
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They have less to use in 2024, plus Trump is on another level from any other candidate


how fricking dumb are you?

They invented virtually every single Trump scandal whole cloth. The only real thing they had was the pussy tape.

Everything you hate about Trump makes him essential in 2024. You have a corrupt DOJ, IC, tainted courts, weak R's in congress, decimated economy, and an MIC that's refiring the war machine. You'd be throwing Ron into a goddamned wood chipper. Let Trump draw that fire. He wants that smoke, and he actually knows how to handle these people.
Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:17 am to
DeSantis is playing his role. He is an actor. frick DeSantis.

Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:35 am to
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What machine did he stand up to?


establishment on both sides. are you brain dead? or been in hibernation?

with your boy mccain fricking us on obamacare you think trump coulda enacted shite without congress?
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He reduce the debt?


nobody gives a frick about debt anymore after what obama did. unless he doubled it like obama. which he did not, even if he did reduce it somebody would else after would run it up. those are red herring talking points.

jobs, tax and reg cuts, pro energy, fought climate nazis, lowest unemployment for blacks, hispanics and women, trade, borders, getting out of useless wars. so terrible for your cause eh?

yeah shame on him spending on stuff dems do not want to spend on huh?

LINK





This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 10:37 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:36 am to
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nobody gives a frick about debt anymore after what obama did

People care about it a lot right now, actually. Inflation has been a bitch.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46153 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:40 am to
yeah, that was a horrifically uninformed reply. The dude fired everyone. LOL.
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