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re: Israel to award Charlie Kirk for fighting antisemitism
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:07 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:07 pm to SallysHuman
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Sabbath (Day) Observation is a commandment.
Its a custom in Israel to be on Sat. In the US its on Sunday. The law only says to observe it. Doesnt dictate the day. Even Paul broke the Sabbath after Christ died
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Jewish Christians continued to observe Shabbat but met together at the end of the day, on a Saturday evening. In the gospels, the women are described as coming to the empty tomb 'toward the first of the Sabbath'. This is made clear in Acts 20:7 when Paul continued his message "until midnight".
Christians celebrate on Sunday because it is the day on which Jesus had risen from the dead and on which the Holy Spirit had come to the apostles. Although Christians meeting for worship on the first day of the week (Sunday for Gentiles) dates back to Acts. Patristic writings attest that by the second century, it had become commonplace to celebrate the Eucharist in a corporate day of worship on the first day. Eusebius, who became the bishop of Caesarea Maritima, stated that for Christians, "the sabbath had been transferred to Sunday".
Follow the Jewish law, not their customs
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Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:10 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
That's Rome's baby, they created them.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:13 pm to jizzle6609
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Debatable
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jizzle6609
Name...... checks.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:18 pm to RobbBobb
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Follow the Jewish law, not their customs
7th day is 7th day.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:41 pm to SallysHuman
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7th day is 7th day.
No one knows what the actual 7th day was. No one was alive to record it. There wasnt a sun or moon until the 4th day. The sun determines our "24-hour day". So the 5th day of creation, would actually be the first 24-hour day. That would have to have been a Sun (1st day). So the 7th "day", and the "day" declared to rest, would have in reality been a Tues, according to our 24-hour days
The Jews chose Sat. (Fri at dusk to Sat at dusk). The Christians chose Sun. (due to NT writings). Because we had a new testament.
Its a custom, not a law to honor Sat.
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8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:52 pm to RobbBobb
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The Christians chose Sun. (due to NT writings). Because we had a new testament.
Hmm... this is not how it happened. There is no verse in NT supporting this.
Plus.. it was evening and it was day on the first day of creation.
The Jews did not "choose" Friday/Saturday- they observed it.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:24 am to SallysHuman
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The Jews did not "choose" Friday/Saturday- they observed it.
They did choose it
The word sabbath was not mentioned until Exodus 16. It was not required until Moses delivered the commandments. At some point the Jews had to have picked a day, because no one observed the sabbath from creation on.
Christians picked Sun. because of 3 verses in the NT
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Romans 14:5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
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And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked. And that day was the Sabbath. The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, “It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed.” He answered them, “He who made me well said to me, ‘Take up your bed and walk.’”
The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
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John 20:1
Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb
Christ worked on Saturdays, and arose on a Sunday, which was the preeminent act that his new church was founded upon.
No resurrection. No Christianity
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:25 am to RobbBobb
Jew killed. Christ.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:34 am to Tunasntigers92
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Jew killed. Christ.
Jews were not permitted to put anyone to death under Roman rule
They delivered him up to the Romans, but gentiles did the deed. Jesus was offered up to be freed, and the Jews (that were there) said No.
So both Jews and gentiles were responsible. Cant blame one without the other. Because its quite ironic that the Romans actually killed him, but then turned around and controlled the very church his death created
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:46 am to RobbBobb
Please take your heretical satanism somewhere else. This is a board to discuss politics. Thanks
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:50 am to Errerrerrwere
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Please take your heretical satanism somewhere else.
Lulz
Coming from a guy that cant see that Tucker and Massie are frauds
Posted on 1/16/26 at 12:52 am to RobbBobb
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Coming from a guy that cant see that Tucker and Massie are frauds
Ok boomer
Says the guy that flaunts the Old Testament while bastardizing it in the same breath. Tell the class how the Canaanites worshipped moloch and Baal again...
Posted on 1/16/26 at 2:11 am to Timeoday
Congrats...very few individuals understand the theological differences between the two religions regarding the path to redemption & salvation and God's new covenant with Gentiles which Judaism discounts.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 5:39 am to conservativewifeymom
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Well, since you believe the Book of Mormon is something other than science fiction, I will not even attempt to understand whatever information you are trying to bring to the table.
The Book of Mormon is nothing more than a book that spawned an offshoot of Christianity. It is a sequel to the Bible for those people who live by it.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 5:48 am to conservativewifeymom
I think Charlie Kirk was in the middle of all of this as more of a mediator. He refused to uninvite Tucker Carlson.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 6:14 am to RobbBobb
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It was practiced by Abram, who was favored for his belief. From him came many religions.
Do you believe that it is accurate to say that Islam is an Abrahamic religion?
Genesis says that God promised Abraham that Ishmael would be the father of a great nation. Muslims believe that Muhammad's lineage traces back to Ishmael.
Posted on 1/16/26 at 9:46 am to TulsaSooner78
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Do you believe that it is accurate to say that Islam is an Abrahamic religion?
Does Islam trace its roots back to the books of Moses?
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Moses is a prominent prophet and messenger of God and is the most frequently mentioned individual in the Quran, with his name being mentioned 136 times and his life being narrated and recounted more than that of any other prophet. He is one of the most important prophets and messengers within Islam.
Abraham started the movement, Moses recorded it. Not sure how you think there is no connection
Ishmael was the first son of Abram. His offspring revered Moses
Then Abraham fathered Isaac, who fathered Jacob, who had Levi, who had Kohath, who fathered Amram, and Amram had two sons – Aaron and Moses
Then through time, distance, culture, and anger, Islam was born from the once shared beliefs of Abraham
Posted on 1/16/26 at 10:17 am to RobbBobb
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Abraham started the movement, Moses recorded it. Not sure how you think there is no connection
Whoa, whoa, whoa! I do think there is a connection.
I've been trying to convince @conservativewifeymom, but she continues to dispute it. I was seeking a 2nd opinion from you. Thank you for confirming.
She contradicts herself, though.
Her logic is this: The god of Islam has no son, therefore he is not the god of Abraham, and Islam is not an Abrahamic religion.
At the same time, she says that Judaism IS an Abrahamic religion, even though Jews don't acknowledge that their god has a son.
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:44 pm to TulsaSooner78
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Moses recorded it
Moses recorded his own death - before his death - according to Josephus. He wrote that Moses definitely died on Mount Nebo, in accordance to Deuteronomy 34, despite the other circulating traditions of the translation by God. Translation? That’s how the KJV records what happened to Enoch, both in Genesis and Hebrews. There were lots of Jews in the time of Philo, Paul, and Josephus that believed Moses was translated by God either in the same way as Enoch and Elijah, or slightly differently in that maybe Moses did die but was resurrected and then translated.
Side note: Mount Nebo was theophoric name of the Semitic deity “Nebo” from which “Nebuchadnezzar” got its namesake.
“Jude” even referenced the Jewish myth called the “Assumption of Moses” when he wrote about Michael and Satan fighting over the body of Moses. The copy of the “Assumption of Moses” we have today is missing the last part where presumably Moses was assumed/translated.
Lots of Jewish and Christian sects believed Moses was translated alive like Enoch and Elijah, or that he died and was resurrected and then translated. Philo of Alexandria, Clement of Rome, Origen, the Samaritans, and more wrote of Moses’ unique demise and translation.
“Luke” even wrote of Moses and Elijah being at the transfiguration. It reads as if Moses and Elijah were really present. Did Luke believe Moses never died, or was perhaps translated after death and had the same status, power, and authority as Elijah?
To this day, Mormon doctrine is that Moses never died, and was “taken up” like Elijah and Enoch. Seventh Day Adventists hold that Moses died, but then was resurrected and translated.
The reason I posted this is I want to get your (plural) takes on Moses’ death. Did he die at all? Was he resurrected? Elijah resurrected a boy, Jesus resurrected a girl (Jairus’ daughter), and Jesus resurrected Lazarus… all before Jesus. Why not Moses too? If he was translated, where did he (and Enoch and Elijah) go (see John 3:13)?
This post was edited on 1/21/26 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 1/22/26 at 6:38 am to Squirrelmeister
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Moses recorded his own death - before his death - according to Josephus. He wrote that Moses definitely died on Mount Nebo, in accordance to Deuteronomy 34, despite the other circulating traditions of the translation by God. Translation? That’s how the KJV records what happened to Enoch, both in Genesis and Hebrews. There were lots of Jews in the time of Philo, Paul, and Josephus that believed Moses was translated by God either in the same way as Enoch and Elijah, or slightly differently in that maybe Moses did die but was resurrected and then translated.
Side note: Mount Nebo was theophoric name of the Semitic deity “Nebo” from which “Nebuchadnezzar” got its namesake.
“Jude” even referenced the Jewish myth called the “Assumption of Moses” when he wrote about Michael and Satan fighting over the body of Moses. The copy of the “Assumption of Moses” we have today is missing the last part where presumably Moses was assumed/translated.
Lots of Jewish and Christian sects believed Moses was translated alive like Enoch and Elijah, or that he died and was resurrected and then translated. Philo of Alexandria, Clement of Rome, Origen, the Samaritans, and more wrote of Moses’ unique demise and translation.
“Luke” even wrote of Moses and Elijah being at the transfiguration. It reads as if Moses and Elijah were really present. Did Luke believe Moses never died, or was perhaps translated after death and had the same status, power, and authority as Elijah?
To this day, Mormon doctrine is that Moses never died, and was “taken up” like Elijah and Enoch. Seventh Day Adventists hold that Moses died, but then was resurrected and translated.
The reason I posted this is I want to get your (plural) takes on Moses’ death. Did he die at all? Was he resurrected? Elijah resurrected a boy, Jesus resurrected a girl (Jairus’ daughter), and Jesus resurrected Lazarus… all before Jesus. Why not Moses too? If he was translated, where did he (and Enoch and Elijah) go (see John 3:13)?
I don't know the scripture anywhere close to well enough to attempt to answer your questions. The post "Moses recorded it" came from @RobbRobb. You might want to reply directly to him.
For context, I was "debating" with @conservativewifeymom regarding her assertion that the Muslim god is not the same got that is worshipped by Jews and Christians, i.e., the god of Abraham.
Her rationale is that "the Muslim god does not have a son." But she does not apply the same logic to the Jewish god.
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