re: Israel shuts down Christian TV channel in rare move | Fox News

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I don’t disagree, I’m just not sure what that has to do with Jews being saved without Christ

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I'm no authority, P...but my instincts tell me that "saved"...is by degree. I know that'll open a can of Theological worms from sticklers. But if one's next Life ('heaven') is measure accordingly...I.e., "he that seweth sparingly will reap sparingly...he that seweth bountifully...", then it sounds like there will be different degrees of 'spiritual affluence' in 'heaven' (next life existence).

Further...exactly WHAT CRITERIA was an individual's existence in this life, decided upon? Does Justice and "reap accordingly" only apply from this life...forward; justice and the critical aspects of one's basic 'Nature and Nurture' that was pre-determined before one's birth?

Logic and the spirit of Justice dictate that one's fate in this life, MUST have been based on one's BELIEF and ACTION in a previous life. Elsewise...it's like the Libs say..."life's lottery". And given that God "numbers the hairs on our heads"...highly unlikely that God would mess with hairs but leave the heavy stuff like judging an individual to a life of heavenly affluence as opposed to suffering hell...is off the table of rationality.

IMHO, our life's actions and beliefs are weighed at the end of this life...and the MERCY FACTOR of belief in not only the Name of Jesus...but mostly His Gospel of Love...then determines one's fate in the next life. Ad infinitm...as we move into ever complex and more powerful version of personal 'heaven'. Or hell. Depending on the dynamics of our interaction.

I'm pretty much worn out. Good luck, and God speed. A good heart and good intent is the ticket. Commit to that and it's like the Eastern's say..."once you are on the road...you ARE there".

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When I heard that if a persona wants to become an Israeli Citizen...they MUST renounce Jesus as Messiah...that made me wonder WTF.

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I’ve not heard that before. Link? I’m interested in reading about that. Thank you

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This is interesting.

Can you imagine if the inverse happened - If the U.S. shut down a media company owned by Jews for not disclosing that their content may have an anti-Christian message?

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It would be viewed an outrage, sure enough.

But it's nothing new really. It's roots are fixed firmly in the past.

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And as they were speaking to the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them, greatly annoyed because they were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. And they arrested them and put them in custody until the next day, for it was already evening.

But many of those who had heard the word believed, and the number of the men came to about five thousand.

On the next day their rulers and elders and scribes gathered together in Jerusalem, with Annas the high priest and Caiaphas and John and Alexander, and all who were of the high-priestly family.

And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, "By what power or tby what name did you do this?”

Then Peter, ufilled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders, if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well.

This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus. But seeing the man who was healed standing beside them, they had nothing to say in opposition.

But when they had commanded them to leave the council, they conferred with one another, saying, "What shall we do with these men? For that a notable sign has been performed through them is evident to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and we cannot deny it. But in order that it may spread no further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to anyone in this name.”

So they called them and charged them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. But Peter and John answered them, "Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you must judge, for we cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard.”

And when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding no way to punish them, because of the people, for all were praising God for what had happened. For the man on whom this sign of healing was performed was more than forty years old.

Acts Chapter 4

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We definitely have stronger freedom of religion laws that Israel. And freedom of speech.

Also the US shutting down a Jewish station is not the reverse of this.

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Dumb move on the part of Israel since evangelicals are among Israel' greatest supporters.

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Look, I'm a supporter of Zionism because I think the Lord Himself brought Israel back into existence. I think it was His will, all the way.

That said, the Chosen People have not always had the Lord's favor. He has, after all, let them fall into conquest and outright slavery for long periods after they do stupid things. Recall that even Moses himself angered God and was not allowed to step foot into the Promised Land that he spent his whole adult life shepherding the Hebrews for.

So I don't think they have this license to abuse Christians, but many of THEM think they do. I'm getting a little tired of the relationship, because it's starting to look like a battered wife kind of thing. They can do whatever the hell they like, and we keep coming back anyway (and paying a good chunk of their bills). We've caught them spying on us a number of times, including industrial espionage. There's the whole question of the Liberty Incident. And then there's the above-mentioned antipathy to Christianity, especially to Christians that visit. "You can't speak about Yeshua here, that's forbidden, this is OUR country" etc.

Israel may exist again by the Lord's hand, but we have no directive from Him to take that kind of nonsense. I'm increasingly coming to the position that we should cut off the money to Israel (and technology), and when they say "What about our security? What about our survival?", we should wish them good luck and express our own deep faith to them that, somehow, the Lord will provide.