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Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:21 am to MrLSU
Timid response retaliated with another timid response. Neither side really wants smoke with each other…what a dumb game to play
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:25 am to BlueFalcon
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Freedom to have tranny teachers, drag shows and sex changes for kids?
They would be rightfully lobbing off heads long before it got this bad
This is true. Western Values have become corrupt.
I love freedom though, as long as I can shoot shitty people who steal and harm others. Unfortunately our "freedom" only extends to certain things
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
You do realize that they were students of the tactics that the Irgun and Stern Gang helped to perfect against British troops in the 40s?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:37 am to KiwiHead
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You do realize that they were students of the tactics that the Irgun and Stern Gang helped to perfect against British troops in the 40s?
Are we talking PLO here?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
I think he is speaking of Jewish freedom fighters.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:47 am to lsufan1971
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I guess you didn’t realize Hamas has 20-30K fighting men in their lowly militant group. Many trained by Iranian and Syrian military.
and? They are still building makeshifts rockets out of water pipes. You are really in denial if you think Hamas is some military threat. Hezbollah yes, but not Hamas
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:47 am to beulahland
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I think he is speaking of Jewish freedom fighters.
I understand the '40s shenanigans, I was just curious who copied them.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is true. Western Values have become corrupt.
Unfortunately, the USA's current idea on how to make the world safe for civilized nations is to spread these corrupted values.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:50 am to OBReb6
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That is the whole issue here.
I get it, but I also believe we can decouple to whatever extent we want. That said, it's up to voters to choose officials who are willing to decouple.
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you have to understand the cause.
Oh, I get it. The Jews returned to Israel and due to the UN waffling around they said "we're tired of waiting so we are incorporating this as our country. If you don't like it, tough." Arabs and Muslims in the region got pissed and eventually attacked (and got their shite pushed in). Over time some have relented (Egypt being a good example, the Saudis being in the process of becoming the most recent) but the fact remains that although Israel is a Judaism-centric country, Muslims are able to freely live and work there while the opposite is not true (or, at least, true to anywhere close to that extent) in most Muslim-centric countries.
Muslims in places Lebanon, Iran and Gaza are free to teach their kids to not hate and kill Jews, but they do not. Instead, they support radical fundamentalist regimes enough that they stay in power and perpetuate the hate.
Golda Meir said it best with a couple of quotes which are still every bit as true today:
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:50 am to Champagne
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the USA's current idea on how to make the world safe for civilized nations is to spread these corrupted values.
We're pre-occupied with the least common denominator.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I understand the '40s shenanigans, I was just curious who copied them.
Hmm. Let’s take this submission from the Lehi (Stern Gang) newspaper from 1943 and interpret what we think they meant, and why this policy might have been viewed as successful.
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Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man."
But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier.
We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.
Those pesky Irgun and Lehi members back in the day made some other Zionists blood boil by saying the quiet part out loud.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 8:57 am to OBReb6
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Those pesky Irgun and Lehi members back in the day made some other Zionists blood boil by saying the quiet part out loud.
This is all well and good, but this was also 80 years ago. The current reality is finding a two state solution, which neither side seems to really want.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:00 am to Bard
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The Jews returned to Israel and due to the UN waffling around they said "we're tired of waiting so we are incorporating this as our country. If you don't like it, tough." Arabs and Muslims in the region got pissed and eventually attacked (and got their shite pushed in).
The problem with this is that you have two sentences here. There is a story that happened between the two sentences, which is what caused the other Arab countries to attack. And that story is that the Zionist groups conducted coordinated slaughter of civilians and a number of outright massacres in a number of areas with the explicit objective being to scare the local Palestinians so severely that they would flee on their own. And they achieved this goal, in the neighborhood of 700,000 Palestinians fleeing their homes into areas which are still the occupied portions we see today.
This went on for weeks as the British were in the process of leaving. The surrounding Arab nations watched and could do nothing until they left, which they then did so the day after the British left, which is subsequently also the day Israel declared its independence.
The middle part isn’t nothing. And it’s never mentioned by you or anyone else with any influence in this country.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is all well and good, but this was also 80 years ago.
Irrelevant. They viewed terrorism as legitimate means when they did not have the power to suppress and control the populace by their own strength, which is now exactly what the Palestinian terrorists are doing when the rolls have been reversed. Don’t be a child
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:03 am to OBReb6
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This is all well and good, but this was also 80 years ago.
Irrelevant.
We terrorized Germany and Japan 80 years ago too.
If all is fair in war, then so be it. Lets stop complaining and let one side take the other out.
Thats whats best for the long run. End aid and influence, take gloves off, let this be settled.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
Yep. Much of what the PLO did they learned by watching what Begin and Stern as well as Shamir did in the mid 40s to force the British hand at giving them Palestine. Google the King David Hotel bombing in Jerusalem in 36 or 47 or how the Irgun kidnapped British soldiers and hung them from a tree.....for starters then look back at some of the activities in the 30s.
The Zionists were very good at terror. Begin, himself was quite unapologetic about his activities for a long while. No one has been an angel in this struggle.
The Zionists were very good at terror. Begin, himself was quite unapologetic about his activities for a long while. No one has been an angel in this struggle.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:05 am
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We terrorized Germany and Japan 80 years ago too.
Suicide bombing, placing bombs in markets, sending mail bombs to politicians, gunning down civilians in their homes? We committed that kind of terrorism against the Germans and Japanese?
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:08 am to OBReb6
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Suicide bombing, placing bombs in markets, sending mail bombs to politicians, gunning down civilians in their homes?
We did it with flammable gel wrapped in iron skin.
And nuclear materials.
We give our terrorists some plausible deniability from 30,000 feet.
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:08 am to OBReb6
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Suicide bombing, placing bombs in markets, sending mail bombs to politicians, gunning down civilians in their homes? We committed that kind of terrorism against the Germans and Japanese?
We firebombed entire cities just to take out a few factories.
ETA: They found bomb shelters where the top few inches of the floors were melted human remains. We absolutely did what classifies as terrorism in WW2.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:12 am
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