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Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:44 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Then those cultures would be wrong.
Absolutely. In certain cultures, honor killings exist which violates rights in Americans' eyes but not the eyes of those cultures.
Based on my point of view, which is the only one that matters to me.
Am I doing that right?
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:46 pm to 4cubbies
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the author argued that housing should be viewed as a human right.
Well, for many of them we used to.
They were called asylums.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:54 pm to mistersnagalotapus
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I think the "socially constructed consensus" on this board is that you can go fruck yourself. You can shove your little commie book up yer arse as well...
You see this a multi-page thread of mostly actual discussion and this is the best contribution you could muster? An ethnography of the working poor in Milwaukee is not a "commie book." It makes me wonder the last time you even held a book, let alone read one.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:56 pm to dafif
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if fear of punishment does not exist - your life can be extinguished at any time
our lives can be extinguished at any time. The number of people on death row and the enormous number of unsolved murders proves that the fear of punishment does not deter murder for many/most.
If not for prisons, would you really go around murdering people? I doubt it.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:58 pm to LSUnKaty
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How about the right to self defense?
This is an ability, not a right.
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I don't think "society" (whatever you mean by that) is required for that.
society is the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community, per the dictionary.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:02 pm to NytroBud
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Rights are a myth
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They could be if you refuse to fight for them when they are being removed
You unwittingly made my case
If rights can be taken away then they aren’t rights
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:07 pm to 4cubbies
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This is an ability, not a right.
An ability to do something can be a right. Right to arms. Right to free speech. It doesn't mean the government gives you permission to do those things. It means the government doesn't have the ability to say you can't do those things.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:16 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Hmm... So just an aggregate of people living together?
society is the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community, per the dictionary.
Seems like your concept of it, at least as expressed in this thread anyway, encompasses a lot more than that simple notion. The power to confer rights for instance, how/why is a simple aggregation of people living together in a community capable of originating or creating "rights" out of thin air?
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:30 pm to 4cubbies
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It’s also safe to say that US has different ideas about human rights than other Western countries.
Such as?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:48 pm to NussBusDriver
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It means the government doesn't have the ability to say you can't do those things
The government puts many stipulations on "free" speech, though.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:50 pm to LSUnKaty
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why is a simple aggregation of people living together in a community capable of originating or creating "rights" out of thin air?
because it has order, which in most cases consists of government. I was careful not to say that a society shares a common culture, because that's not necessarily completely true. I think, for the most part, there is a common culture/common values in a society.
The government distributes rights in our society. In other places, a monarch may distribute those rights. Or a tribal leader.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:51 pm to DCtiger1
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Such as?
Universal healthcare, tuition-free higher education, robust public transportation, etc etc
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:53 pm to Rebel
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Sounds like you are longing for the days of Calliope, Desire, and Magnolia?
What have I written that makes it sound like I'm longing or the days of dilapidated and neglected housing projects?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:54 pm to 4cubbies
quote:THERE IT IS
It’s also safe to say that US has different ideas about human rights than other Western countries.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:54 pm to 4cubbies
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What have I written that makes it sound like I'm longing or the days of dilapidated and neglected housing projects?
Surely you are not advocating for massive transfer payments for rent? That would be stupid.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:55 pm to 4cubbies
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Universal healthcare, tuition-free higher education, robust public transportation, etc etc
Free food
Free housing
Free Healthcare
Free education
Free transportation
What society in all of human history most represents your ideals?
The only one I can think of is childhood.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:56 pm to 4cubbies
Let me guess, your all time favorite song is "Free Ride" by The Edgar Winter Group
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:59 pm to 4cubbies
quote:OK
Universal healthcare, tuition-free higher education, robust public transportation, etc etc
That's what you're giving as examples Thank you,
now I'm asking you to make the argument for why those are examples of basic human rights
use Either historical or moral or ethical reasoning to make your arguments but I would like you to cite an example , even if its Marx , not just something we create in your head
because I could say I have a right to getting a blow job
And to me to say life would be a basic human right
so your universal health care would not include abortion, correct?
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:01 pm to 4cubbies
According to President Musk, the serfs have no rights
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