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re: Is there proof of medicinal benefits of marijuana?

Posted on 6/2/18 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/2/18 at 9:42 am to
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It's all anecdotal bullshitee about how granny got better on weed so potheads can get their fix and push for legalization. Why do you hate granny? Why do you hate freedom?


Hey, I learned something new about old remedies last week. The wife got home from working night shift at the E.R.
A woman was dropped off in diabetic shock. They noticed sticky stuff on her clothes. They treated her and when she woke up they asked about the substance.
Her: 'I don't know but I'm gonna find out.'
She got her cell phone and called her boyfriend.
Her: "I'm in the ER. What's this sticky stuff on my clothes?"
Him: 'You went into a diabetical coma so I poured some maple syrup on you.'

I don't eat pancakes but I've got an old bottle of maple syrup in the fridge for medical emergencies.
Posted by Wtxtiger
Gonzales la
Member since Feb 2011
7273 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 9:46 am to
If it helps with chronic pain and can be used as a non habit forming alternative, then it should be used in the place of OxyContin or other opioids.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34852 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:12 am to
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all anecdotal bullshite


I assume you are an ignorant troll but I'll bite. Have you done an iota of research on the endocannabinoid system? Or is that just a silly anecdote too?
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 11:19 am
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3786 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:34 am to
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all anecdotal bullshitee about how granny got better on weed so potheads can get their fix and push for legalization.


A friend of mine gave his mom some cannabis oil (or whatever it is) and he says her dementia was markedly improved. Only anecdote I got, but I trust him and believe he was truthful. He does not smoke dope, so he had no ulterior motive.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92902 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 2:05 pm to
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I'm ignorant on this. How does being on the Schedule 1 list affect bring prescribed under Fed law ? What about studies to provide proof of benefits?


According to the DEA “Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.” It is stupid because marijuana is on that list which can be prescribed at the state level and there are also drugs on it that the DEA admits do have currently accepted medical use and can be prescribed in all 50 states.

Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
Member since Jan 2007
71367 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 2:19 pm to
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it cures cancer



It is not claimed as such that I know of. It helps tolerate the effects of therapy.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20697 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 2:23 pm to
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It is stupid because marijuana is on that list which can be prescribed at the state level

It's only a recommendation, not a prescription.
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there are also drugs on it that the DEA admits do have currently accepted medical use and can be prescribed in all 50 states.

Dea actually says cbd is schedule 1 as well

But let's check out the patent held by our government...

Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92902 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 3:30 pm to
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It's only a recommendation, not a prescription.


With medical marijuana that is true but it’s really just semantics. With Marinol a prescription is required.

Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83279 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 3:33 pm to
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Why does it remain on the schedule 1 list?

Fun fact: the state of Louisiana formally recognized the medical benefits of MJ way back in the 1990s. Curiously, the state did not bother to reschedule it. Logic is not always a strong suit.
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 3:33 pm to
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Why does it remain on the schedule 1 list?



Because it is federally illegal to research the medicinal benefits and it is in the job description of the enforcement of arm of the federal government to snuff out all schedule 1 drugs no matter what.

Couple that with Big Pharma lobby working together with police and prison lobbies all over the country.

We don't need federal legalization. All we need is reclassification.

According to the federal government there is absolutely no medical quality to marijuana. It's Schedule 1. It is dangerous and addictive and absolutely banned for the good of the country.

Substances the government deems safer than marijuana. Every single drug in this list is listed at a lower schedule than 1 and deemed safer and with better medicinal benefits than marijuana:

Combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin), cocaine, methamphetamine, methadone, hydromorphone (Dilaudid), meperidine (Demerol), oxycodone (OxyContin), fentanyl, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Ritalin, Products containing less than 90 milligrams of codeine per dosage unit (Tylenol with codeine), ketamine, anabolic steroids, testosterone.

Let that sink in. Cocaine, meth, fentanyl, ketamine. All deemed safer and better than marijuana. The federal government in this country is beyond over bloated and constantly counter-productive to society. How or why anyone wants to give it more power and more control is beyond me.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 3:37 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 4:19 pm to
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Why does it remain on the schedule 1 list?



Because there are a lot of people that would lose their jobs and a lot of money if it was legalized.

Also it funds many small govts through the racket known as civil asset forfeiture, where the victims have their possesions stolen without charges or even an accusation.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20697 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 4:38 pm to
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With Marinol a prescription is required.


It's a schedule 3 though how that makes a lick of sense, when compared to marijuana is insanity.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 4:48 pm to
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Curiously, the state did not bother to reschedule it. Logic is not always a strong suit.




Unpopular opinion:
I don't know that the state did anything illogical by not rescheduling it. Gonzales v Raich occurred in ~2004 and upheld that federal law against possession and use of marijuana trumped the state's allowance when the FBI raided this person's house and destroyed their plants.
Back in the 90s when you say that the state recognized the medicinal benefits of marijuana, it still couldn't do anything permissive about it without being in violation of/opposition to the federal law. Only in the last few years since the recreational legalization at the state level in Colorado occurred have the feds starting relaxing on the enforcement. Perhaps the LA legislature figured "Well, instead of wasting our time and your money on passing laws that don't matter and are, in fact, invalid, let's focus on other things."

That said, they still suck. But they'll very likely lax the state laws soon after the DEA reschedules it at which point the lobby against it will die down. But until then, your typical legislator still has the mindset of, "I'm going to follow and uphold the Constitution of the Unites States" before anything else. I think it would be kind of neat to see our (and other) legislatures petition Congress to review the Controlled Substances Act.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 4:54 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92902 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 7:39 pm to
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It's a schedule 3 though how that makes a lick of sense, when compared to marijuana is insanity.


Well of course it doesn’t make sense and the newest synthetic THC drugs are being classified as Schedule 2. GHB is also Schedule 1 but when you do nothing to it other than give it a brand name it also magically becomes Schedule 3.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
26340 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 8:01 pm to
Mary Jane should be used medically for sure.There are benefits.

Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:18 pm to
As the science and research behind pot has created CBD’s that provide the medicinal qualities and do not provide any hallucinogenic or high so to speak, it will be interesting to see if CBD’s get friendlier treatment than pot.

It’s difficult to argue or extol the virtues of pot smoking or edible ingestion versus a superior delivery of a pharma grade produced CBD in pill or oil form if the argument is the individual use case centers around a medicinal benefit.

Just like the euphemism that Christians sometimes can be the worst part of Christianity, stoners and recreational users are some of the worst-and most vocal-proponents of marijuana use, research and decriminalization.

I heard a great point about it in medicinal research the other day. It was in a discussion about coders in Silicon Valley having figured out through self experimentation how to microdose using both psyliscibin and MDMA/DMT in fractional amounts to achieve significant increases in mental acuity and focus while generating increased creativity.

The issue is that for decades, government’s model of Scheduling for narcotics stigmatizes and inhibits potentially legitimate research. Had we not adopted the Nixonian approach with Scheduling, we could have still allowed for clinical research and be much, much further along than we are with these substances as potential human performance enhancers or just as a medicinal benefit to mankind.

As it is, we lost decades of time for CBD’s. Same for LSD, psylocibin, MDMA, as well. Instead we have in many instances depended on DIY, home brew type research that doesn’t provide the same understanding that controlled clinical results and data would.

It’s no way for an advanced country with huge R&D budgets and robust research opportunities to behave from a policy perspective. We can still maintain our criminal justice policies while unleashing our strengths and assets to learn more about things like these and how to harness them for the betterment of humanity.
This post was edited on 6/2/18 at 10:22 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83279 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 10:48 pm to
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don't know that the state did anything illogical by not rescheduling it. Gonzales v Raich occurred in ~2004 and upheld that federal law against possession and use of marijuana trumped the state's allowance when the FBI raided this person's house and destroyed their plants.

Well that is the latest excuse given by Prohibitionists at the state level. “It’s federally illegal so we’re saving you by keeping it illegal at the state level.” But there’s still nothing keeping Louisiana from rescheduling to reflect what Louisiana legislators have already statutory acknowledged. There’s nothing unconstitutional about the state legalizing it. It’s just an excuse.
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But they'll very likely lax the state laws soon after the DEA reschedules it at which point the lobby against it will die down.

Yeah I agree, everything really hinges on the feds rescheduling. The DEA has absolutely refused to do it. It never will. Even under obama. It just will not give up it’s own power willingly. It’ll take Congressional action which I think will come eventually but not soon.

I read there’s a bill pending right now to reschedule, but I swear I’ve been hearing that same thing for years now.
Posted by RoDee
Harvey
Member since Nov 2011
407 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:32 pm to
Some of the "benefits" of marijuana are shrinking of two areas of the brain, lower IQ from using heavily during teen years (IQ does not recover if person stops using), increased risk of testicular cancer, enlargement of male breasts, greater likelihood of testicular cancer and greater likelihood of psychotic episodes. The death rate from driving while stoned has gone up in Colorado which legalized it. It is not harmless.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35197 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:38 pm to
A better question is: what harmful affects led to it being made illegal in the first place?

Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39074 posts
Posted on 6/2/18 at 11:51 pm to
What's funny is people used to be on some heavy shite.

Cocaine, Morphine, Heroin, Quaaludes, Opium and Methamphetimines..any housewife could go down to the drug store and get it without a prescription.









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