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re: Is there a worse form of government than democracy?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:42 pm to lake chuck fan
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:42 pm to lake chuck fan
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Meh. I'd rather have the ability to vote in or out my government representatives, rather than have some person ruling over everything and everyone just because he/she was the son/daughter of the previous king.
We let the federal govt get too large and "democracy" cannot control it under one govt and two parties.
340 million people arent going to willingly comply with one govt and two parites. Its time for a split.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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[Atheists] lack values
Wrong.
I know many atheists who strongly believe that slavery is morally wrong. Curiously, Christianity has changed it's opinion on the morality of slavery. How could that be if Christian morality is based on godliness, and thus is unchanging?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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340 million people arent going to willingly comply with one govt and two parites. Its time for a split
Probably a better idea would be a third-party.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:49 pm to Harry Boutte
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I know many atheists who strongly believe that slavery is morally wrong
Why do they believe this?
If they were born in a place where it was prevalent and it benefitted them, I imagine they would accept it as they have nothing to build a value system upon.
I loathe religion but dont discount the idea that there is a God and we should treat others how we want to be treated based on the perfect ideal.
I'm not looking for heavenly rewards, but internal peace that comes from being in tune with the divine.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:50 pm to lake chuck fan
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Probably a better idea would be a third-party.
Then we need a different form of democracy, more similar to the European Parliament model (which has enraged MAGA the past few years, mind you)
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:50 pm to Harry Boutte
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Wrong. It's not all about me.
Who tells you what right and wrong is if it's not you?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:50 pm to lake chuck fan
Without a third or fourth party, our system is a sham.
We are the most diverse nation in the world but limited by one massive federal govt that isnt responsive to any of us.
It needs to be broken down.
We are the most diverse nation in the world but limited by one massive federal govt that isnt responsive to any of us.
It needs to be broken down.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:50 pm to Harry Boutte
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It's your premise, the burden of proof is on you.
That's what I thought.
I can't prove that something doesn't exist, genius. Nor is that even how the conversation went.
I basically said this: "It's obvious that if human beings deny that there is any sort of objective moral standard apart from and above themselves, any morality that they claim can only be subjective, either individual or collective preferences."
You said, "That's wrong. You are in error."
So YOU made the claim that my statement was wrong. The burden of proof is on you. According to your own post.
So I will wait with baited breath to discover how that statement can possibly be wrong. At least until the squirrel troll who purports to not believe in God but actually hates Him gets here.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:50 pm to DyeHardDylan
In the short term a good and wise king is better but no matter how good and wise your king, the bad king is coming. And there's no nice way to get rid of him. In the longterm the Republic is by far the best
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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European Parliament model
I took a Euro Govt class for grins, and ended up loving it. There are definitively some things we can take from them and utilize, like the confidence vote.
But even my prof, an old Labour Party shill agreed that Euro style politics will not play well here.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:58 pm to Harry Boutte
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It's not all about me.
Nobody said your values were selfish.
That's not what anyone is saying.
What we're (correctly) pointing out is that you have no basis for them other than that you personally like them. You may naturally be empathetic, or you may get a boost of self-esteem from a virtue-signaling standpoint—there could be all sorts of reasons why you think your values are worth embracing—but where the rubber meets the road is when you bump up against someone who has different values.
The only authority to whom you can appeal in that case is yourself.
If you try to convince Joseph Stalin that being fair and just is better than being homicidal and cruel and he says, "Nah, you're wrong, might makes right" and to every objection you give he says, "So what?" then who are you to say that he's wrong and you're right?
There is no authority to appeal to in your world.
He's got his opinion and you have yours. What gives you the right to tell him his values are wrong?
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