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re: Is there a worse form of government than democracy?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:09 am to RandRules
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:09 am to RandRules
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Great post, well thought out. Why do you think a monarchy is the best form of government? This is not a gotcha post or anything, I’m just interested to hear your thoughts on it
Thanks
Ok, keep in mind what I’m alluding to is what would be the ideal monarchy, which I’m not claiming is easy to achieve. My argument was that in the distilled best form of each of the 3 types of government (monarchy, oligarchy, and democracy) monarchy is the best.
But here are some things in general which I would argue would make an ideal monarchy the best possible system.
1. A monarch is efficient. If the buck truly stops with one individual, then their decision seals it and it is done. It would not be tangled in courts and legislatures. A better way to think about this is that every good company is ran by a CEO who at best is accountable to a board of directors, but in the companies that are most successful, the CEO owns the majority of shares as well, so even the board does not negate their decisions.
2. A monarch has the opportunity to make long term decisions over short term. Or in other words a monarch can better facilitate a low time preference society. We can clearly see that our government is paralyzed by making decisions which benefit elected officials in the short term so they can be reelected, but can very well easily screw us in the future. Social security and the national debt is the current glaring example of this. A monarch that has a lifetime appointment can think long term, and has incentive to make his people as prosperous as possible to create a stronger nation as a whole that they rule over.
3. A monarch can be less influenced by corrupt lobbying than a legislature. It’s not that a monarch can’t be influenced, but they would have less temptation to take monetary incentives than a congressman. If you’re a small fish in a large system, the temptation to get rich is powerful. The temptation of riches for the monarch is not the same, because they already have everything in theory, and the only way for them to have more is for the society as a whole to get wealthier.
There are many other things, but these are the key ones imo. There’s lots of great content out there addressing this topic. Here’s a video below from one of my favorite creators.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:17 am to OBReb6
Thank you! Your response exceeded my expectations. You’re one smart dude, even if you do root for the wrong team LOL
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:20 am to DyeHardDylan
Dictator is the best form of government, if the Ruler is sensitive to the needs of the citizens. Unfortunately there are extremely few good people.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:21 am to northshorebamaman
Democracy assumes we are all on the same team, and that we want the best for the team.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:26 am to wackatimesthree
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Atheists have no basis for their morality other than simple personal preference
Your premise is wrong.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:29 am to OBReb6
Meh. I'd rather have the ability to vote in or out my government representatives, rather than have some person ruling over everything and everyone just because he/she was the son/daughter of the previous king.
I'll say this again, our votes matter and we the people are responsible for the elected representatives in our government. The circumstances of our nation would be much better if tax paying voters paid closer attention and voted for better representation.
I'll say this again, our votes matter and we the people are responsible for the elected representatives in our government. The circumstances of our nation would be much better if tax paying voters paid closer attention and voted for better representation.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:31 am to Gus007
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Dictator is the best form of government, if the Ruler is sensitive to the needs of the citizens. Unfortunately there are extremely few good people
That's alot riding on IF.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:34 am to lake chuck fan
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Meh. I'd rather have the ability to vote in or out my government representatives, rather than have some person ruling over everything and everyone just because he/she was the son/daughter of the previous king.
I'll say this again, our votes matter and we the people are responsible for the elected representatives in our government. The circumstances of our nation would be much better if tax paying voters paid closer attention and voted for better representation.
In principle I don’t disagree with you. The problem is that what you’re describing is not reality, and it hasn’t been reality in a long time.
The vast majority of people are uninformed, or don’t care. Or even worse, care for the wrong reasons curated via propaganda. And I, nor you, nor anyone else has a solution to fix this. In fact I only see it getting worse.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 11:35 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:38 am to Harry Boutte
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Your premise is wrong.
Prove it.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:40 am to lake chuck fan
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if tax paying voters paid closer attention and voted for better representation.
That's a lot riding on "if."
See how that works both ways?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:43 am to wackatimesthree
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Prove it.
It's your premise, the burden of proof is on you.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:49 am to OBReb6
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The vast majority of people are uninformed, or don’t care. Or even worse, care for the wrong reasons curated via propaganda. And I, nor you, nor anyone else has a solution to fix this. In fact I only see it getting worse.
No argument there!! The RNC(or someone )needs to push some national campaigns explaining and highlighting this point.
Before this last presidential election I was becoming very cynical, but Trump's victory demonstrated that our votes do count.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:51 am to Harry Boutte
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It's your premise, the burden of proof is on you.
Whether you acknowledge it or not, every aspect of your personal morality has been shaped by the culture you live in, which is a Christian one.
European culture as it is now, which we are a branch of, goes back about 1000 years. It was formed by Christianity. Even the enlightenment period was formed out of Christianity.
You can’t even picture what a society without a Christian morality foundation would look like, because you live and breathe it. Even the extreme of the “woke” agenda we see today is just a Christian heresy that has its roots in the puritans and quakers.
Your objection is absurd, and the evidence against you is so monumental that you cannot even see it because you spent your entire life in its shadow.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 11:52 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:58 am to DyeHardDylan
The only totalitarian leader who was good was Pericles. And when Athenians complained about his policies he just took off his crown and said: 'OK, you're right. I quit.'
Then they would scream: 'NOOO! Put it back on. We were just kidding!'
Then they would scream: 'NOOO! Put it back on. We were just kidding!'
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:01 pm to OBReb6
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Your objection is absurd,
But he doesn't know that because we don't teach philosophy any more.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:13 pm to OBReb6
What a load of crap.
Not really, you even stated it here:
The culture I live in is largely an amalgam of, among others, Catholicism, Protestantism, Evangelicalism, Judaism, Asian, African and indigenous cultures. I am not denying the influence of Christianity on my morality, but it is not the sole source. Indeed, Christian morality has its roots in Judaism, which, in turn, has roots in Babylonian culture and the Code of Hammurabi.
quote:
Your objection is absurd
Not really, you even stated it here:
quote:
every aspect of your personal morality has been shaped by the culture you live in
The culture I live in is largely an amalgam of, among others, Catholicism, Protestantism, Evangelicalism, Judaism, Asian, African and indigenous cultures. I am not denying the influence of Christianity on my morality, but it is not the sole source. Indeed, Christian morality has its roots in Judaism, which, in turn, has roots in Babylonian culture and the Code of Hammurabi.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:19 pm to Harry Boutte
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The culture I live in is largely an amalgam of, among others,
So? If there's no God those are all just the opinions of men, and you decide which ones you like and which ones you don't and that's how your view morality.
His premise is correct and you just demonstrated that.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:21 pm to Harry Boutte
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Atheists have no basis for their morality other than simple personal preference
Your premise is wrong.
I find it more true than not.
Moreso, they lack values because they dont believe in objective truth
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:40 pm to Flats
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you decide which ones you like and which ones you don't and that's how your view morality.
Wrong. It's not all about me.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:41 pm to DyeHardDylan
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Is there a worse form of government than democracy?
yes
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