re: Is there a secular argument against abortions?

Do whatever you need to do.

Good thing my posts weren't limited to that then.

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I asked for examples several times and specifically avoided assuming what your examples would be.

It didn't matter.

You were more interested in word games. As always.

Now, I get it. That's really your whole point in any thread but hey, I felt like giving it a shot.

But, we'll finish with you achieving the same goal you are always chasing.

Running in circles until the other poster calls it a day.

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You're arguing with a poster that is essentially a slightly less vapid ballscaster.

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99% of your posting is word games.

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That was my point when in an earlier post I said. "This again? " Spot on.

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That was my point when in an earlier post I said. "This again? " Spot on.

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I know.

This is a pretty complex question wrapped up in a simple one. But the answer to the simple question is intertwined with the answer to another question:

Can morality exist within a purely secular line of thought? I think the answer to that question is obviously yes.

Then the next point would be is it possible to view abortion as morally a bad thing to do without invoking spirituality and religion, and again I say of course this is possible if one defines the beginning of a human life as taking place during the development cycle. Then it becomes a simple argument of "taking a human life is bad, therefore abortion is a bad thing"

Of course, other secular lines of thought on the issue might delve into the fiscal or emotional aspects with a more utilitarian approach. Does the performing of an abortion have a positive or negative impact on the person who recieves the abortion? How about all of humanity? The utilitarian would make his or her judgment on abortion if he or she had quantifiable proof that the average abortion did a net amount of good or bad in the world. Obviously these discussions aren't black and white but they are the origin of a lot of secular arguments.

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We love our stupid analogies, don't we folks?

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just how is that not apropos to the premise of "removing morality". if you remove a generally accepted standard of morality (i.e. 10 Commandments) then what would you suggest to replace it. i personally am good with me making the call. i fear you wouldn't care for it much. but on the bright side you would have to worry about it long.

Is there a secular argument against KILLING irresponsible people who would rather kill a baby than accept responsibility for the outcome of their bad choices?

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True. How about from 600 yards?

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They're getting pretty efficient with abortions, aren't they?

If you take "morality" out of the equation, then just about anything is justifiable. IE Murdering an a-hole....gets him out of the way. Rape...well, if morality doesn't matter...she's hot, so why Not? Seriously, this is a stupid thread.