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re: Is there a personal element to what is going on with China?
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:20 pm to AuburnTigers
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:20 pm to AuburnTigers
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opened up the gates for massive fraud. I believe Trump wants to crush them, and it’s not only what needs to be done, but something he’s going to enjoy doing.It was planned by the Dems. The intentionally killed millions of people so they could usher in mail in ballots and send them en masse to all residents in the states they controlled.
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:22 pm to Warboo
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Asian countries are chomping at the bit to gain market share.
Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines can't replace China's manufacturing.
I'm just saying that some sort of total de-coupling from China is not real life. That isn't going to happen and I'm confident that no one in the administration actually wants that anyway. We want more favorable and equitable terms.
TEMU China (India) is decades away from catching up.
Like it or not, we have to deal with the Chinese and that isn't going away.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:26 pm to Indefatigable
quote:doesn't matter who under the umbrella of a country is paying.
If you operate under the assumption that anyone other than end consumers are ultimately paying the tariff fees, I suppose. The businesses and importers, etc., are just going to recoup their costs with higher fees and prices downstream.
If we have a deficit with them, they are more reliant on selling their goods in our market than we are in their market. So someone on their side feels more pain. It may be in currency or it may be in lost volume. But one way or the other, if there's a deficit, they need our market more than we need theirs.
Sometimes alot, sometimes a little. But the trade deficit defines the need, and thus the effect of that need when disrupted or re-ordered.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:30 pm to I20goon
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doesn't matter who under the umbrella of a country is paying.
If you don't care about costs for Americans, I guess not.
This is fine for short term negotiation leverage. Long term it isn't politically tenable. People are going to get pissed if everything gets more expensive.
But I don't believe any of this is intended to last very long anyway. Neither us nor the Chinese want that. Its not good for anyone.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:35 pm to Indefatigable
quote:I made no comment about cost to Americans.
If you don't care about costs for Americans, I guess not.
This is fine for short term negotiation leverage. Long term it isn't politically tenable. People are going to get pissed if everything gets more expensive.
If we have a trade deficit with a country, our tariffs on them are more painful that their tariffs on us.
If it costs Americans/America X, it costs them in some form or another X+.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:36 pm to SelaTiger
China looks to be selling our treasuries again & purchasing yen. Probably trying to make it seem like multiple countries are dumping US for China
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:39 pm to I20goon
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I made no comment about cost to Americans.
That cost was the entire basis of my post you replied to.
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If we have a trade deficit with a country, our tariffs on them are more painful that their tariffs on us.
Or, they just raise prices of their outputs. I get that it squeezes them to an extent, but acting like that doesn't flow both ways seems silly.
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If it costs Americans/America X, it costs them in some form or another X+
And at some point, the benefit of "beating them" outweighs the cost of doing so. We aren't bringing useless manufacturing of consumer trinkets back to this country.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:45 pm to Indefatigable
quote:nah, that's not what you said. you said...
That cost was the entire basis of my post you replied to.
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If you don't care about costs for Americans, I guess not.
"if you don't care"
You simply cemented yourself as a pocket liberal by issuing an emotional response about a completely unrelated definition.
quote:if you could, just for a second, seperate yourself from the liberal talking point of "if you don't agree with me then you [are uncaring][racist][homophobic][xenophobic][nazi] you would realize all I am saying is that on the balance, if there is a deficit, it hurts them more than us. Which means, not implies, bidirectionally.... I'll repeat for the slow liberals "more than us" means bidirectionality. It states both parties are feeling effects, but some more than others. Which is impossible without bidirectionality. So your statement is either just a liberal talking point, or retarded.., which is, admittedly, redundant on my part.
Or, they just raise prices of their outputs. I get that it squeezes them to an extent, but acting like that doesn't flow both ways seems silly.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:49 pm to I20goon
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You simply cemented yourself as a pocket liberal by issuing an emotional response about a completely unrelated definition.
My point was and remains that we will feel this in everyone's pocketbooks if its prolonged.
But AGAIN, I understand that this is short term negotiation strategy and not long-term policy.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 9:59 pm to Indefatigable
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We aren’t bringing useless manufacturing of consumer trinkets back…
Totally ignorant statement. A significant portion of manufacturing of basic goods such as tires and electronics as well as medicines have been offshored from the USA to China in the last few decades. Those jobs were taken from the American middle class with over 90,000 factories closed in the USA so China could use cheap labor to drive down costs and enrich Chinese leaders and US stock speculators.
That manufacturing back in the USA would be great for the American middle class.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:16 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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Those jobs were taken from the American middle class with over 90,000 factories closed in the USA so China could use cheap labor to drive down costs and enrich Chinese leaders and US stock speculators.
And it isn't, in large part, coming back. Medicine? Maybe. Electronics? Possibly, in a limited extent.
But no, we aren't going to start making tires again.
We do not have the workforce for it anymore. We don't have the infrastructure for it anymore.
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That manufacturing back in the USA would be great for the American middle class.
Well yea it would theoretically if we could transport back to the mid 20th century. Reality is that those jobs don't pay US middle class wages anymore. We don't have throngs of people just waiting to work in factories. We've moved past it. Onshoring manufacturing to the extent some people seem to be clamoring for would only involve automation and AI and robotics. Joe the laid-off 53 year old auto worker isn't going to start making iPhones in the United States.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:19 pm to I20goon
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if you could, just for a second, seperate yourself from the liberal talking point of "if you don't agree with me then you [are uncaring][racist][homophobic][xenophobic][nazi]
What are you even talking about?
That's not even on the same planet of where I'm coming from. quote:
you would realize all I am saying is that on the balance, if there is a deficit, it hurts them more than us
No, I heard you. And I don't disagree necessarily over the long term. But hurting them more than us isn't the goal. The goal is reaching a deal before anyone gets hurt.
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So your statement is either just a liberal talking point, or retarded.., which is, admittedly, redundant on my part.
Paint me as a liberal all you want. I don't care. I'm not one and I don't need to prove that to you. I'm sorry that you view the world through the dichotomy of US political parties. The world doesn't work that way.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:03 am to Indefatigable
These lies you are posting are either because you are ignorant and hard headed (best possible alternative), or you have some unsavory reason (you being paid?) for promoting your “America Worst” campaign.
We have the workforce and the infrastructure to support expanding manufacturing in the US.
Why do you post such ridiculous ideas?
We have the workforce and the infrastructure to support expanding manufacturing in the US.
Why do you post such ridiculous ideas?
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:15 am to Indefatigable
Congress , especially the House is all theater where the clowns come out to play on both sides......and we elect them over and over again. But we are entertained.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:23 am to FlyDownTheField83
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We have the workforce and the infrastructure to support expanding manufacturing in the US.
For some high end things that require specialization and high wages, sure.
No, we don’t have the workforce to start making Nike’s or the other cheap shite that makes up the substantial portion of the trillions in consumer goods we import from China.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 8:35 am to SelaTiger
Covid was the icing on the cake.
But hell no is this trade situation due to Covid in itself. Covid just makes it super personal as it was a planned attack to disrupt Trumps agenda. He was trying to reset the trade deal with China before Covid happened, thus, actually pushed China & Deep State to push the button on the bio-weapon.
China has infiltrated the country to its core.
They have more politicians blackmailed than you can shake a stick at.
Buying up our farmlands next to military bases
Stealing our patents & intellectual property
The list goes on and on.
And at the end of the day, just as a monetary standpoint,
The trade deficit is insane!
Everyone was and has been in on the take. & Trump has the balls to take it on for the American People.
The reasons are endless, but as for Covid, that’s where it gets on a personal and super criminal level.
But hell no is this trade situation due to Covid in itself. Covid just makes it super personal as it was a planned attack to disrupt Trumps agenda. He was trying to reset the trade deal with China before Covid happened, thus, actually pushed China & Deep State to push the button on the bio-weapon.
China has infiltrated the country to its core.
They have more politicians blackmailed than you can shake a stick at.
Buying up our farmlands next to military bases
Stealing our patents & intellectual property
The list goes on and on.
And at the end of the day, just as a monetary standpoint,
The trade deficit is insane!
Everyone was and has been in on the take. & Trump has the balls to take it on for the American People.
The reasons are endless, but as for Covid, that’s where it gets on a personal and super criminal level.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 9:48 am to Indefatigable
Your ignorance of industry is showing.
We may not “onshore” every single thing that has been stolen by China, but many industries would be welcome to return.
Also you talk about specialized and highly technical industries, you obviously do not understand how technical many manufacturing processes are: making toilet paper is one example - very technical with tight quality control on thickness, weight, sanitary conditions, etc….. Another example is making tires, very rigorous quality control to assure they do not fly apart at high speeds. Another example is all types of building products such as roofing materials: technical and quality controled manufacturing process to assure good wear characteristics, non-flammable, etc….
We may not “onshore” every single thing that has been stolen by China, but many industries would be welcome to return.
Also you talk about specialized and highly technical industries, you obviously do not understand how technical many manufacturing processes are: making toilet paper is one example - very technical with tight quality control on thickness, weight, sanitary conditions, etc….. Another example is making tires, very rigorous quality control to assure they do not fly apart at high speeds. Another example is all types of building products such as roofing materials: technical and quality controled manufacturing process to assure good wear characteristics, non-flammable, etc….
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