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Is the term "Democrat" or "Republican" no longer relevant or accurate or... necessary?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:57 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:57 am
It seems to me that we have become either liberal, conservative, or moderate for the most part. I am a conservative independent voter who refuses to be painted into any corner by party affiliation and blind acceptance of any party dogma. I prefer the common sense approach to politics.
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:12 am to BFIV
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t seems to me that we have become either liberal, conservative, or moderate
Moderate simply means your candy-arse is too scared to make an open commitment and you believe pretending to be moderate makes you sound educated.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:30 am to stat19
On Internet forums it usually means they’re a liberal who thinks anything to the right of Stalin is moderate.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:37 am to BFIV
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we have become either liberal, conservative, or moderate for the most part.
It’s more complicated than even this. There are three huge groups of issues placed in social, financial, and isolation/engagement categories.
But for me it’s politically easy. There are hundreds of Republicans I will not vote fore, but not a single Democrat I would.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:40 am to BFIV
It's turned into filth vs non-filth.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:49 am to BFIV
I have not been a registered Republican since the 90's. I'm an Independent. But even if the Democrat was sensible I will never ever under any circumstances vote for anybody who is part of that coalition. At this point, more than being a Conservative with libertarian social sensibilities, I am an ANTI-PROGRESSIVE. If there is a way to beat back Leftism (as opposed to liberalism) I will do it, including weakening their coalition any way I can.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:55 am to Lsupimp
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But even if the Democrat was sensible I will never ever under any circumstances vote for anybody who is part of that coalition. At this point, more than being a Conservative with libertarian social sensibilities, I am an ANTI-PROGRESSIVE. If there is a way to beat back Leftism (as opposed to liberalism) I will do it, including weakening their coalition any way I can.
Very good point. This illustrates my contention that opposing the leftist agenda does not make someone a Republican, but a conservative or a moderate.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:57 am to Lsupimp
What do you have in mind?
Capitalists vs Socialists,
or maybe Shirts vs Skins.
Capitalists vs Socialists,
or maybe Shirts vs Skins.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:59 am to BFIV
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independent voter who refuses to be painted into any corner by party affiliation and blind acceptance of any party dogma. I prefer the common sense approach to politics.
Hear here!
Republocrats, frick 'em.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:03 am to BFIV
Need a way to delineate moderation vs extremism... right now a lot of Republicans aren't extreme, but once a good bit were. Now, the Dems are, by and large, screaming idiots.
We need politicians to understand that a perfect society will never exist; so you need policies that will aid the 90% group first and foremost. Stop catering to fringe groups, as this alienates the rest. Yes, you can be sympathetic and try to help them, but don't focus on them.
This applies to all areas, not just liberals.
We need politicians to understand that a perfect society will never exist; so you need policies that will aid the 90% group first and foremost. Stop catering to fringe groups, as this alienates the rest. Yes, you can be sympathetic and try to help them, but don't focus on them.
This applies to all areas, not just liberals.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:04 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Republocrats, frick 'em.
Would we, as a nation, be better served if the Democrat/Republican parties ceased to exist as the major parties and, instead, the Congressional ruling majority would be composed of a coalition of different parties?
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:10 am to BFIV
"UniParty" would be the most accurate term.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:12 am to Rougarou4lsu
Normals versus Progressives, Constitutionalists versus Marxists, Reason versus Passion, American Revolution versus French Revolution, Liberty versus Equality, personal responsibility versus entitlement, Individual rights versus Group Identity politics, Free Speech versus Correct Speech, etc.
The choice is between being a CITIZEN or being a SUBJECT, Reality versus Unicorns. Pretty simple.
The choice is between being a CITIZEN or being a SUBJECT, Reality versus Unicorns. Pretty simple.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:19 am to Lsupimp
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If there is a way to beat back Leftism (as opposed to liberalism) I will do it,
It's difficult for me to distinguish Leftism from Liberalism now. I see them both in the same light. Liberalism = Leftism = Progressive = Socialism. It didn't used to be like this.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:20 am to BFIV
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I am a conservative independent voter
More times than not, when someone posts this, they are truly a liberal in sheeps clothing.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:27 am to moneyg
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More times than not, when someone posts this, they are truly a liberal in sheeps clothing.
My post history indicates otherwise.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:30 am to BFIV
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My post history indicates otherwise.
Perhaps. But, I don't care enough to go find out.
I stand by my statement.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:33 am to BFIV
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Is the term "Democrat" or "Republican" no longer relevant or accurate or... necessary?
The party labels are much more accurate then they have ever been. Go back 20-30 years. You had pro-life people on both sides (and pro-choice). You had pro-gun and control people on both sides.
Remember you had a whole host of "southern democrats" that moderated the democratic party. There were a lot of northeastern republicans as well.
All of that is pretty well sorted out now. The extreme wings of both parties like to label their moderates as "RINOs" or "DINOs" but even moderate R's and moderate D's have very different voting records.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 9:54 am
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:35 am to BFIV
I think we've become globalist vs nationalist honestly.
Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:47 am to TaderSalad
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I think we've become globalist vs nationalist honestly.
That's part of it, but I'd suggest that we are a "conservative" vs. "progressive" nation. It used to be "conservative" vs. "liberal".
"Conservative" boils down to the belief that the country was founded on and thrived on a set of basic fundamental concepts. "conservatives" want to preserve or, in some cases, restore those fundamentals.
"Progressives" boils down to people who want radical change for any number of reasons. Some want socialism. Some want communism. Some want reasonable social justice. Some hijack social justice to attack the status quo. Despite the different goals, this group gets extremely aligned because the defining quality of them is a willingness to destroy the status quo to achieve their end goal. Anything justifies the end. Thus, there is nothing sacred.
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