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re: Is the commodification of everything a predictable outcome of capitalism?

Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:37 pm to
I think you missed what I was getting at. The poster I responded to (who seemed to be from Ohio) mentioned "basic maintenance and housekeeping work they have to do around the prison."

That's sort of the typical prison system of the US outside of Southern states, which typically operate on more of a farm system type prison. That structure seems to be a particular beef of this Cubbies individual. I don't have a problem with it. I was just saying it is a bit different than what the poster I responded to seemed to be referencing.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18748 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:40 pm to
You think you are entitled to the labor of others? Typical Leftist moronism.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109354 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:40 pm to
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This is prevalant across all of America, whether we're talking about working to maintain the prison, working in agriculture, or working to make products that are sold for a profit for the state.


I'm assuming any "profits to the state" in any of these systems is all but negligible across the board. Is there really a huge revenue differential in having prisoners make license plates?

The "for profit" deal was once a big facet of the Southern Prison Farms. As I understand, most of what they are doing these days is almost purely for on-site consumption.

ETA, I think we are spekaing around each other.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170274 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:43 pm to
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Please define commodification and provide examples of things that weren’t previously “commodified” and now are

Your attention is now commodified at a level that it never was previously. As well as all of your personal data.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:44 pm to
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How much are they paid?


I spent a few days courtesy of the State of Alaska in a quasi jail (basically a halfway house) and I volunteered to work for free every fricking day.

So did most of the people there. To get outside, doing physical stuff in the sun...away from the dipshits who like being incarcerated.

You're trying to find solutions to problems that arent really there.

Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
2745 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:44 pm to
If you can supply it for yourself, then yes.

If not, it is a good or service. You must pay for goods and service. It is the entire reason why trade, barter, whatever you wish to call it was invented by prehistoric man.
Posted by BuckeyeGoon
Member since Jan 2025
841 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:44 pm to
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If license plates are only made in prisons, how would learning how to make license plates help anyone secure a job making license plates post-release?

The equipment, skills and tools used for manufacturing metal license plates arent exclusive to license plates. There's no way you are this dumb.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:47 pm to
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Do you know where all Louisiana license plates are made?

do you know where California license plates are made?
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:48 pm to
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Inmates are exploited for free labor - a practice which can be traced back to Convict Leasing after the Civil War and can help explain our ballooning prison populations even as crime has decreased.


Throughout history, those convicted of crime were subjected to labor. It isn't exploited. That is your catchword. Get better. It is not exploited labor, by definition, because it is part and parcel of "paying for the crime". Need you be reminded of debtors prisons of old or slave labor building what we now call "wonders of the ancient world".

You can be better by being less bad.

If what you show here is the extent of your knowledge, you suck as a teacher.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
2745 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:50 pm to
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Did you finish high school?


Her post was valid in the context of your OP.

Be better.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
32448 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:53 pm to
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ETA, I think we are spekaing around each other.

probably. and you are correct that southern states have larger agricultural penal labor systems than other states. but, breaking it up that way to try to show some southern racist point like 4cubbies is doing is disingenuine. For example, California doesn't have large prison farms. But, they still have 99% of their inmates doing labor. California inmates make 100% of their license plates, just like Louisiana.

That's the reason I called out that statement. It's unnecessary. This isn't a southern/northern, Civil War, bullshite issue.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:55 pm to
United Kingdom about to say hold my beer arresting every internet poster
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109354 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:56 pm to
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That's the reason I called out that statement. It's unnecessary. This isn't a southern/northern, Civil War, bullshite issue.


She's hanging her hat on a historical vestige that is really just history (however be it unpleasant).
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
32448 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 2:59 pm to
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She's hanging her hat on a historical vestige that is really just history (however be it unpleasant).

like a stupid woman telling her husband that he can't make his 12 year old boy go cut the grass or do manual labor.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293015 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

This isn't a southern/northern, Civil War, bullshite issue.


Her marxist training tells her it all relates to slavery, regardless of how utterly retarded it is.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3985 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:04 pm to
Thanks for the non-response
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21298 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 3:16 pm to
How many crimes were committed by each person in jail before they finally got jail time?

We have an incarcerated rate not only (under) commensurate with the amount of crime being committed, but commensurate with our pattern of not holding criminals accountable until they have finally committed a serious enough crime with enough priors.

Secondly, our white guilt allows for an absurdly gigantic victim narrative for blacks who are raised to be helpless, irresponsible, unaccountable, resentful, and racist. That leads to violent crime and irredeemable behavior.

The answer is multi-fold.

Hold criminals accountable the first time.
Stop the woke victim narrative wherever you can.
Incentivize fathers in the home and marriage.
Start treating black people like they are capable of being equal members of society without racial special olympics rules for blacks.
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
10723 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:11 pm to
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I argue that the task at hand is acquiring free/super low cost labor.


So Cubs, what do YOU suggest the prisoners do while they serve their sentence? Just workout and bugger each other all day?

Do you not think that perhaps part of what they owe civilized society for their crimes is some sort of value add?
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
15950 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:15 pm to
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Inmates are exploited for free labor


No they friken aren’t. They have a debt to society. That debt shouldn’t be paid off watching ESPN in the air conditioning.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 4:15 pm
Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
10723 posts
Posted on 9/9/25 at 4:20 pm to
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If license plates are only made in prisons, how would learning how to make license plates help anyone secure a job making license plates post-release?


Seriously??

Spoken like a liberal that's never really worked a job.

Tell me Chubbies, what do YOU think learning to perform a job, run equipment, meet specs, meet deadlines, trouble shoot issues, and complete various tasks would do to help someone find a JOB in the outside world???

You're either stupid or willfully obtuse.
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