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re: Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:05 pm to Mobile Patriot
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:05 pm to Mobile Patriot
Again, the “uniparty” is an invention of the internet ultra--conservative dweebs
and picked up by wackos like MTG so she can whine when the adults in her party slap her around.
and picked up by wackos like MTG so she can whine when the adults in her party slap her around.
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:05 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Why would your score keeping ever have to be anything but determining are we overall better off now or before?
I mean, lots of people got very invested in other goals stated by the admin and argued they were the path of being better off.
Like, take the "refi bros". They told us for days how the most important thing for the US was refinancing the 9T at lower rates. If that argument was true, then we have a problem.
Or, take the people who argued manufacturing was the most important thing. That's not coming back, either.
etcetc.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:05 pm to narddogg81
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he didn't fail at his goals, that's your TDS talking
Read the whole quote, primarily the first word.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:06 pm to VOR
VOR
The white nationalism coming out of your post is alarming
The white nationalism coming out of your post is alarming
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:06 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:If his goals were to have a stock market dip, raise prices and not bring any jobs back to the USA, then yes he achieved all his goals.
Did he?
The company I work for, all the manufacturers whose products we sell had major price increases. At first most had a surcharge that would be removed if tariffs were removed. Most of them changed course and just decided to do big price increases because they got tired of dealing with tariffs. So we got big price increases in my field without any jobs coming back to states.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm asking you. Not what anyone else argued. That's such a tiresome tactic.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:08 pm to Y.A. Tittle
How can I determine if we're better off now when it's not over, after what appears to be multiple pivots in real time by the admin?
We may still end up in a long trade war with China that would be -EV and THEN have to refi our 9T at even higher rates.
We may still end up in a long trade war with China that would be -EV and THEN have to refi our 9T at even higher rates.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:08 pm to Padme
Did he blink or is he just putting the screws to China? I guess we will see what comes of some of these trade agreements. The components of these agreements aren’t hammered out in a couple days so it makes sense to give countries time to come to the table. He can go right back to them in 90 days.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Smart people have argued for weeks that the admin was engaging in obfuscation of a goal so they could present multiple options, so that no matter what, with hindsight bias, they could never been proven to have failed.
The irony is that you can’t see, through your own bias, that there is no way out of this little trap you have tried to set. You won’t accept that the goal is to exert leverage, in your mind is has to be clearly defined, everyone must agree on it, it needs to be applied to every party evenly, and judged within that clearly defined definition - and it is considered a failure if it doesn’t meet the requirements. Of course, you aren’t approaching this reasonably, and framing it in a way that you can deem it a failure, regardless of the results as of this a game of pool.
I don’t think Trump has ever obfuscated that this entire situation revolves around China. And here we are.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:11 pm to OceanMan
quote:Anyone could say literally the exact same thing about you.
The irony is that you can’t see, through your own bias, that there is no way out of this little trap you have tried to set. You won’t accept that the goal is to exert leverage, in your mind is has to be clearly defined, everyone must agree on it, it needs to be applied to every party evenly, and judged within that clearly defined definition - and it is considered a failure if it doesn’t meet the requirements. Of course, you aren’t approaching this reasonably, and framing it in a way that you can deem it a failure, regardless of the results as of this a game of pool.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:13 pm to Padme
CNBC sucks large bags of dicks...especially Cramer.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How can I determine if we're better off now when it's not over,
I don't think you can any more than you can currently determine we are worse off as a result of all this, or that whatever he did is a failure in reaching some goal.
quote:
We may still end up in a long trade war with China that would be -EV and THEN have to refi our 9T at even higher rates.
Yeah that may happen. Conversely, something much better than that may happen and we will be in a much stronger overall economic position after this. Funny you will likely argue if A, it will be because of something this administration did and if B, it will be just some sort of dumb luck.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:17 pm to OceanMan
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The irony is that you can’t see, through your own bias, that there is no way out of this little trap you have tried to set.
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in your mind is has to be clearly defined, everyone must agree on it, it needs to be applied to every party evenly, and judged within that clearly defined definition
Somewhat of a strawman, but within the general meaning of your strawman, how else can we judge if he succeeded (or "blinked" to use the parlance of our times)?
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Of course, you aren’t approaching this reasonably, and framing it in a way that you can deem it a failure
Another swing and a miss
I have 100% not called it a failure. I said honest brokers cannot take either side, which is where I am. I'm arguing against people currently taking a side.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:18 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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any more than you can currently determine we are worse off as a result of all this
And I made no arguments to that effect.
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or that whatever he did is a failure in reaching some goal.
Haven't argued this, either.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:18 pm to Padme
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Does it really F’ing matter.
To some people it obviously does.
We'll know in a few months whether this was a good play or not. If it was I don't care how it happened, if he blinked or not. I don't care if he got what he wanted or didn't, just the result.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
So you are just quibbling to quibble. Of course.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:19 pm to Flats
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We'll know in a few months whether this was a good play or not
If you want to really blow people's minds, he could have failed at his goal and we end up better, and he could have achieved his goal and we end up worse.
That's why this "outcome" debate is silly within the context of this thread and THAT discussion (did Trump blink/fail at achieving his goals?)
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's why this "outcome" debate is silly within the context of this thread and THAT discussion (did Trump blink/fail at achieving his goals?)
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:21 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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So you are just quibbling to quibble.
No. We're just having a different discussion.
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Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
That discussion does not necessarily overlap with "will this outcome be better for the US?" It can, and it can even do so unintentionally.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
[quote]quote:
Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
That discussion does not necessarily overlap with "will this outcome be better for the US?" It can, and it can even do so unintentionally.[/quote]
There it is.
Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
That discussion does not necessarily overlap with "will this outcome be better for the US?" It can, and it can even do so unintentionally.[/quote]
There it is.
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