re: Is the alt right gaining traction because libertarianism is failing?

There is no alt-right.

You fail because you let them define the language used in the propaganda.

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I'm a libertarian, but I cannot stand the Libertarian Party. It's impossible to take them seriously, so I'm registered as a Republican and hoping Rand can make some noise.

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I can't stand the libertarian political party either. It's boring and unprincipled.

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Libertarians have utterly failed at spreading their message, and the evidence suggests that the browner your skin color, the less attracted you are to libertarian ideals.

Lots of libertarians took a "if you can't win em over, kick them out" position recently it appears. They moved from their from the micro (economic, property rights, markets, etc) to the meta (western culture vs oriential collectivism)

Remember, trump won self described libertarian republicans by a whopping margin in the primary, even when rand was still in the race.

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I think two things:

1) There were a lot of myths about the right wing before this election, and a major one was the imaginary 'lanes' such as the libertarian lane, the establishment lane, etc. In reality, libertarian republicans make up a tiny, tiny fraction of the right wing. I know there is an outsized amount on this board, but in reality, if you never vote libertarian or for the libertarian republican, are you really a libertarian?

2) Conservatism as it was envisioned by the Bushes and Kristols is dying as well. Conservatism in the rear view mirror is looking more and more like a lot of vague, lofty principles which were really social evangelicalism mixed with a general idea that government needed to remove itself from economic life. The problem for conservatism is that it either never had enough people willing to actually put principle to paper, or was simply, as Buckley put it, a movement to say "Stop" (paraphrasing). This doesn't really lend itself to concrete victories, you're just always fighting a retreat.

I think the Alt-Right or whatever you want to call this is the first time since world war two that the right wing has had a concrete set of goals to move the nation in a specific direction, and not just stop the policy agenda of the left.

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The fact of the matter is this: many libertarians are correct when they say that deporting all brown people will make it easier to pass "libertarian" legislation because whites are much more likely to believe in things like low taxes, no welfare, etc.

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It's a messaging problem.

There are plenty of reasons for minorities to distrust the government. Libertarians should hammer those reasons 24-7.

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Remember, trump won self described libertarian republicans by a whopping margin in the primary, even when rand was still in the race.

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Absolutely ridiculous

Hail, as a resident expert on historical libertarianism, I'll let you in on a secret. You have it all wrong.

Google 'Jeffrey Tucker Libertarian Brutalism' and you'll gain some understanding as to the branching of libertarianism

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Libertarians see trump and the alt right as necessary to changing the culture of America back to more traditional and patriotic ideals, and to purge the liberal indoctrination from our institutions in hope that future generations will be more informed and embrace the constitutional republic this country was founded as.

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I'd consider myself libertarian Republican.

I loved trump. I liked rand also. I know trump has a hands on big govt in some cases style. I felt like he would be a better choice as a transition person for rand later. Rather than rand take over right now. Trump is what we needed right now. I'll take rand after trump.

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This is pretty much exactly how I feel

Anarchists?

This is the Libertarian party platform about immigration.


We welcome all refugees to our country. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference. We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.