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re: Is saying “ All lives Matter” racist?

Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:54 pm to
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:54 pm to
If someone says Black Lives Matter and still today you hear:

"Only Black Lives Matter" then yeah you're probably racist maybe best case you're oblivious


Its been explained a million times, in a million different places, by a million different people, in a million different ways. The subtext is too.


Black Lives Matter(too)
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:54 pm to
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70% are probably better off than you, so it's a start.



Have fun camping in that 30% then DarthTheShrubber
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:57 pm to
It's truly a shame that our great leader has created a climate where things like this happen. I'm sorry for you and your family.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:57 pm to
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All lives don’t matter until black lives matter
This has been a chant throughout the protests


I guess blacks kind of control whether or not all black lives matter when they start caring about black lives taken by other blacks as much as they do when it's by white cops.

Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:58 pm to
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It's truly a shame that our great leader has created a climate where things like this happen. I'm sorry for you and your family.


Damn. BLM and All Lives Matter started when Trump was elected?

Tone deaf
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 8:59 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 8:59 pm to
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Being 100% intellectually honest, could you really see, with everything being the same in the situation, that happening to a white guy?


I guess I could see that happening to a white guy just as easily in the same situation. Not sure how race plays into that at all.

Which was my point, why is this incident considered racist if there is no evidence that racism was the reason he was detained in the way he was. I'm not suggesting it wasn't, but unless there is proof of racism, just seems like a bad decision by the officer to not detain him in another way.

And he should be in jail regardless of the race of the victim. It's a shame it happened, but I guess I don't default to everything happening being able to be attributed to racism.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:00 pm to
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Being 100% intellectually honest, could you really see, with everything being the same in the situation, that happening to a white guy?

yes completely


I’ve been personally a victim of police brutality that was way over the line. And I’m lily white.


I back this movement and protest, but i am not sure the officer was racist, I know he was a piece of shite and the protest should focus on the militarization and brutality of police forces across the board of all races
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 9:00 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:02 pm to
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Which was my point, why is this incident considered racist if there is no evidence that racism was the reason he was detained in the way he was. I'm not suggesting it wasn't, but unless there is proof of racism, just seems like a bad decision by the officer to not detain him in another way.


One only needs to look and see if it is an election year. Blacks were killed by police in 2017, 2018, and 2019. Where were the riots?

But if one looks at the years 2016 and 2020; what would one find during the summer of those years?

Riots...

And that, my friend, should tell you that this has nothing to do with race. This is political...
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:03 pm to
So black lives>>>all other lives?
Aren't we all created equally?
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:04 pm to
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So black lives>>>all other lives?
Aren't we all created equally?


Posted by TT9
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:05 pm to
I mean, it's just amazing.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
49876 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:06 pm to
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So black lives>>>all other lives? Aren't we all created equally?

I don’t think that’s the argument
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 9:06 pm
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:07 pm to
How does it miss the point? It’s inclusive of everyone....blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, gays, straights, Christians, Muslims, etc.

Black lives don’t matter more than any of the others. To imply that they do is what’s racist.
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:07 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:08 pm to
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I don’t think that’s the argument




The intentionally obtuse takes on this board lately are only rivaled by the intentionally obtuse people they despise in the BLM crowds.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28259 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:09 pm to
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If someone says Black Lives Matter and still today you hear: "Only Black Lives Matter" then yeah you're probably racist maybe best case you're oblivious Its been explained a million times, in a million different places, by a million different people, in a million different ways. The subtext is too. Black Lives Matter(too)


If someone says Black Lives Matter why is it unacceptable to say All Lives Matter? The second one isn't dismissive, it's inclusive. Isn't inclusivity one of the mantras of the left? Black Lives Matter(too) is demeaning to black people, as it is understood that the default condition assigns lesser value to black people. So those who fight for Black Lives Matter (too) are, by definition, white supremacists. The movement is based on the fact that they believe that blacks are inferior. Why would anyone support this?
Posted by HeadSlash
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:09 pm to
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How does it miss the point? It’s inclusive of everyone....blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, gays, straights, Christians, Muslims, etc.

Black lives don’t matter more than any of the others. To imply that they do is what’s racist.


:kige:
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
135850 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:10 pm to
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This is political...



Sadly, this is true.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
36952 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:12 pm to
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yea I wish I could. My wife is beyond sweet to everyone I mean like everyone loves her. I’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about her in over 23 years of marriage and she’s sobbing now because her niece thinks she’s a racist


Here is why these people irritate the shite out of me.

They want to us to listen to them. They want to educate us about their plight. Your niece has a great "teaching moment" here, and instead of using it, she has fallen into the mob mentality that she has learned on social media of labeling everything that moves as a racist. It is sad. It really is.


And while I'm thinking about it, your wife may want to delete the post where she said all lives matter. If she has a job...or if you have a job...the mob can get a hold of that and cause you a lot of trouble.

Sadly, I'm not kidding. Get rid of that post.
This post was edited on 6/6/20 at 9:14 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91320 posts
Posted on 6/6/20 at 9:13 pm to
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How does it miss the point? It’s inclusive of everyone....blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, gays, straights, Christians, Muslims, etc.

Black lives don’t matter more than any of the others. To imply that they do is what’s racist.


Sigh.

Black lives matter was born out of the belief their lives didn't matter to the police (rightly or wrongly).

Saying all lives matter, in and of itself, is not a problem, but the context matters. If you say it almost as to correct someone, it's tone deaf. If you say it sympathetically, as in, yes, black lives should matter just as all lives should matter, it's fine.

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