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re: Is more spending and adding to our national debt a conservative or liberal policy?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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And which philosophy do you subscribe to:
1. More spending/increasing the national debt
2. Less spending/decreasing the national debt
There was a time when this wasn't in question, but I feel we need to get back to first principles and use those to define commonly-used terms (like "Liberal" and "Conservative").
nonsense question
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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Doesn't matter.
Me pointing out that you made an incorrect statement
It matters when you are assigning that comment to a different conversation.
You are a joke.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
I like how y'all assume that raising the debt ceiling necessarily means Trump is going to increase spending once in office.
It's not like on Jan 21st he can take all those student loans paid off back, Ukraine is going to give us a refund, all the DOD expenditures in the Red/Med Sea just melt away, and the illegals are deport themselves.
There's a cleanup on aisle 5 (where the ice cream is) to do first.
It's not like on Jan 21st he can take all those student loans paid off back, Ukraine is going to give us a refund, all the DOD expenditures in the Red/Med Sea just melt away, and the illegals are deport themselves.
There's a cleanup on aisle 5 (where the ice cream is) to do first.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:05 am to Bunk Moreland
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Trump, even if the policies are liberal or whatever
What you call liberal is historically not factual. Period. From tariffs to free trade to union support....etc.
You just don't want that to be true.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:05 am to Bass Tiger
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The MAGA/America First conservative populist movement had nothing to do with any of that BS
Trump had 4 years already, bubba, and pre-Covid his spending tracked like the rest of them.
Now he wants the debt ceiling removed so he can spend more.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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Is more spending and adding to our national debt a conservative or liberal policy?
It is certainly NOT a fiscal conservative policy, but some will try to spin it any which way they can to make an assertion not found in any economics 101 book...
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:06 am to BCreed1
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It matters when you are assigning that comment to a different conversation.
Not at all. He wasn't lying. You saying he was, was incorrect.
I explained why.
You're not taking it well.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:06 am to BCreed1
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What you call liberal is historically not factual. Period. From tariffs to free trade to union support....etc.
You just don't want that to be true.
This is your opportunity to tell us all how government intervention in the market, big spending, etc. is "conservative".
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:08 am to BCreed1
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From tariffs to free trade to union support....etc.
One of these is nothing like the other two.
Tariffs and Union support are democrat payoffs to unions.
Tariffs are opposition to Free Trade.
Trump isnt a capitalist, he is a classic mercantilists.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Not at all. He wasn't lying. You saying he was, was incorrect.
I explained why.
You're not taking it well.
I'm taking it fine. In all these threads, most have left them because they know the facts and don't want to address them.
This isn't hard. At all. Tariffs are not leftists. Pro Union isn't even leftism. Free Trade isn't conservative.
It's just inconvenience to your projection of what is conservative.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:12 am to BCreed1
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At all. Tariffs are not leftists. Pro Union isn't even leftism. Free Trade isn't conservative.
Go on.
This is a literally new concept.
quote:
It's just inconvenience to your projection of what is conservative.
What the vast majority of people project as conservative.
You'd have been laughed off this board from 2004-2016 claiming that to be "conservative"
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:23 am to BCreed1
quote:TiL.
This isn't hard. At all. Tariffs are not leftists. Pro Union isn't even leftism. Free Trade isn't conservative.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:25 am to BCreed1
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This isn't hard. At all. Tariffs are not leftists. Pro Union isn't even leftism. Free Trade isn't conservative.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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One of these is nothing like the other two.
Tariffs and Union support are democrat payoffs to unions.
You are ignorant. As I pointed out the last time you and your bud tried this, history hates you. Your friend had common sense to walk away even.
Harding, Coolidge and Hoover—were far to the pro-labor “left” of today’s libertarian Republicans.
Everything I am about to quote is from the GOP and it's platforms: Look them up.
-“The Party favors freedom in wage contracts, the right of collective bargaining by free and responsible agents of their own choosing, which develops and maintains that purposeful co-operation which gains its chief incentive through voluntary agreement.”
-“Collective bargaining by responsible representatives of employers and employees of their own choice, without the interference of any one, is recognized and approved.”
-“the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding.”
-“Organized labor has contributed greatly to the economic strength of our country and the well-being of its members. The Republican Party vigorously endorses its key role in our national life.”
-“ The Nation’s labor unions, comprised of millions of working people, have advanced the well-being not only of their members but also of our entire free-enterprise system. We of the Republican Party reaffirm our strong endorsement of Organized Labor’s key role in our national life.”
- “Free collective bargaining remains the best way to insure that American workers receive a fair price for their labors.”
Need more on labor and unions?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:30 am to BCreed1
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One of these is nothing like the other two.
Tariffs and Union support are democrat payoffs to unions.
You are ignorant.
One of the literal tenets of conservatism is free trade.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:33 am to BCreed1
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- “Free collective bargaining remains the best way to insure that American workers receive a fair price for their labors.”
Absolutely not.
As a worker, it binds you to the lowest achiever, puts seniority over merit.
Why would a man put himself in such a predicament? I can benefit negotiating for myself with my employer.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
So the chief idiot starts a bullshite thread and the chorus pumps it up for 6 pages in a couple hours - awesome!
so productive, really changing those minds!
so productive, really changing those minds!
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:
At all. Tariffs are not leftists. Pro Union isn't even leftism. Free Trade isn't conservative.
Go on.
This is a literally new concept.
No, it's history.
quote:
quote:
It's just inconvenience to your projection of what is conservative.
What the vast majority of people project as conservative.
not at all. Most people have the ability to read history.
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You'd have been laughed off this board from 2004-2016 claiming that to be "conservative"
LOL! ok bud.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:38 am to Taxing Authority
quote:Are you arguing there is no room to “drain the swamp” if spending is not cut? Just, no situation where spending can remain the same or increase while also loosing the grip that the swamp has on our government?
When did Trump do it? Wtaching you guys go from "Trump is going to drain the swamp" to "Trump is going to keep the status quo" in 6 weeks is fascinating.
No wars
Reverse illegal immigration
Stop the crazy funding of other counties and climate bs and all that shite
Pick from whatever ridiculous social bullshite the left heaves on us
End some of the insane rhetoric around evil white people
Mass awakening of US citizens to the idea that the left and media are evil
More free speech and less consequences for stepping out of line on social media
Getting evil folks out of these important positions
Whatever else
There’s simply nothing positive to be gained in battling the swamp if we don’t cut spending?(I hope we cut spending)
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is a discussion about principles and political philosophy. I would expect that as your response (as its the limit of your discourse)
But is it, and besides words, is it even realistic to expect those words to translate into reality in the days in which we live today?
The last administration that actually saw the national debt decrease was Calvin Coolidge, and that says a lot given that was 100 years ago. Ever since then it has been rising, and a little over a decade since Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. That coupled with our currency eventually becoming a fiat currency, and people accustomed to voting for politicians based upon their campaign promises to get things done in Washington, and that “something” always requires money, it simply encourages growing government and spending money we do not have.
Nothing will change until the American citizens demand that it changes. It really doesn’t matter who’s in power or what letter they are affiliated with.
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