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re: Is more spending and adding to our national debt a conservative or liberal policy?
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:42 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:42 am to Bunk Moreland
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You're the only intellectually honest Trump supporter on here.
You are lying. Flat out lying.
You want to talk this, step up. You run from everything because you can not face reality vs what has been ingrained in you by the Bushmen.
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:42 am to BCreed1
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He'll have a conversation with most people. But there are a few that does not want that. They just want to troll.
Like you.
SDV's stance is known, and he hates "conservatives", if you didn't already know. He doesn't have principles politically, either. At best you could describe that as "anti-DEM" and nothing organic.
He wants big spending and wants Trump to spend. He hates people who claim to be "conservatives" as well.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:43 am to GumboPot
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You can be against spending but it doesn't mean you will get less spending.
You conflate aspirations with outcomes too much.
This sounds like something Paul Ryan would say.
And the problem is that there are precious few signs that Trump even has aspirations to cut spending.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:43 am to BCreed1
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You are lying. Flat out lying.
He's the only one real enough to mock "conservatives" without flinching in his support of Trump.
This is more than just spending. He also hates the pro-life "conservatives" too.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Correct me if I am wrong, in a fiat currency controlled by a central bank, we will always have a national debt, and the more people that work and demand for currency increases, it will always be rising. If the debt is paid down, dollars have to pulled out of circulation, making the dollar more valuable.
It's more complicated than 1) or 2).
So: 3) less public spending (spend only as much as collect tax allow ie balance a budget) / increase debt as needed only to create additional currency for citizen production, keeping inflation at a minimum, or zero.
It's more complicated than 1) or 2).
So: 3) less public spending (spend only as much as collect tax allow ie balance a budget) / increase debt as needed only to create additional currency for citizen production, keeping inflation at a minimum, or zero.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:46 am to zeebo
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Only Nixon could go to China.
Yep.
The hook is so far down their throats, history does not matter. You will see that unfold in this thread. They will either run, ignore, or melt.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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SDV's stance is known, and he hates "conservatives",
Nah. He doesn't like you and the other Bush lover trolls.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:47 am to keks tadpole
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in a fiat currency controlled by a central bank, we will always have a national debt
That's not necessarily true, unless you expand what "national debt" means outside of basic accounting principles.
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If the debt is paid down, dollars have to pulled out of circulation, making the dollar more valuable.
That is one of the potential consequences (and would be a good thing for us)
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:48 am to BCreed1
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Nah.
Yah. And that's a quote, brother.
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He doesn't like you
I don't even think this is true, either.
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Bush lover trolls.
Clearly you're confused calling me this, of all people.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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He's the only one real enough to mock "conservatives" without flinching in his support of Trump.
This is more than just spending. He also hates the pro-life "conservatives" too.
That was not addressed to to you or SDV. That was to Bunk who has already ran away because he knows facts are about to be placed in the thread that will make him face reality.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:51 am to SDVTiger
Well, The idiocy in DC is the fault of all of us morons! Hold these assholes accountable, reduce their protections [even if an amendment] is needed, term limits, reduce their pay, and benefits [for life] is bullshite. Then we can talk about progressive L/Conservative, until then, nothing will ever change.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:52 am to BCreed1
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That was not addressed to to you or SDV. T
Doesn't matter.
Me pointing out that you made an incorrect statement doesn't require that incorrect statement to be in response to one of my posts.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Republicans have always been about number 2.
The issue is any time sensible people start talking on trying to cut spending, balance a budget, and lower debt, the Democrats start screaming that Republicans want to end Social Security and throw old people into the streets.
Number 1 is a requirement for Democrats. If you can't make citizens your bitch, you have no control over them. Democrats need Number 1 to keep certain groups from running off the plantation.
The issue is any time sensible people start talking on trying to cut spending, balance a budget, and lower debt, the Democrats start screaming that Republicans want to end Social Security and throw old people into the streets.
Number 1 is a requirement for Democrats. If you can't make citizens your bitch, you have no control over them. Democrats need Number 1 to keep certain groups from running off the plantation.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:52 am to BCreed1
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You are lying. Flat out lying.
You want to talk this, step up. You run from everything because you can not face reality vs what has been ingrained in you by the Bushmen.
I hated Dubya and was posting on DU for a time back in those days. I hated neocons before all of you guys who supported Dubya, McCain, and Mittens decided you were anti-war because of Orange. SDV is clear that he supports Trump, even if the policies are liberal or whatever (backing off on abortion restrictions, high spending). The rest of you guys LARP as hardcore conservatives.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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The process means nothing if "conservative" principles mean more spending/debt.
The process would allow congressman to be more granular in their voting and expose more of the congressman whose principles don't align with your conservative principles.
CRs provide cover and plausible deniability. for congress. Congressmen cherish cover and plausible deniability. It allows them to work outside of their advertised principles without accountability.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:55 am to Bunk Moreland
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SDV is clear that he supports Trump, even if the policies are liberal or whatever (backing off on abortion restrictions, high spending). The rest of you guys LARP as hardcore conservatives.
And, for the record, I tell SDV this.
But, while I give him credit, I can also point out that it leaves him without any principles. He just supports MAGA/Trump. That is a 2-way street.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think many people would accept the MAGA movement as a Uniparty movement, so no, it didn't end there.
I generally ignore you but I'm in the Christmas spirit.
The US is $36 trillion in debt because both Dims and Republicans have failed to pass a true budget in years and won't even consider a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget.
Since the financial meltdown of 2007-2009 the level of wealth consolidation has been unprecedented in modern US history.....thanks largely to the Federal Reserve.
The MAGA/America First conservative populist movement had nothing to do with any of that BS. The D.C. Uniparty can shut the whole damn District of Columbia down for all I care and it would not be the end of the US, the American people will find a better way forward.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
It's other people's money. Only a fool will control spending.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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If the debt is paid down, dollars have to pulled out of circulation, making the dollar more valuable.
That is one of the potential consequences (and would be a good thing for us)
Unfortunately that is not what happens. The U.S. Treasury issues more debt for the Federal Reserve to implement via their monetary policy goals which a large part of those debt instruments are used to cover debt instruments due with Federal Reserve Notes thus increasing money supply and all the downstream economic outcome ensue (Cantillon effect, inflation, etc.).
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