re: Is more spending and adding to our national debt a conservative or liberal policy?

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I have only seen you bring it up as a level to attack Trump

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a. Then you haven't been paying attention.

b. We expect Democrats to spend. It's like saying 2+2=4. We don't need to go over and prove that to be true daily.

c. Trump/MAGA are supposed to be against big spending.

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But that's one of the reasons Trump won the primary in 2016. People got sick of the GOP saying they'd do this or that, just elect them, but then they get to DC and it's business as usual. Hell, that's the genesis of the "rino" label.

Now a LOT of the same people who were rightfully fed up with the GOP for being a bunch of talk want to go back to business as usual if that's what Trump wants to do.

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I'm not in agreement with Trump on this and have seen a very vocal element on this very MAGA centric board with similar opinions. But the reality is that the democrats are using this situation to detonate a grenade in Trump's lap heading into office. Unlike the republicans, the democrats WILL shut down the government without qualm. I would have no problem with that if I really felt the end result would be cuts in spending. That will not happen, however. All that will happen is a period of intense bad PR until the GOP does what it does best and cave to democrat demands for an atrocity of a bill even worse than what they initially proposed.

The fed is the problem. As long as big corporate interests can buy candidates and send them to DC to bring the pork back home, these "debt ceiling" squabbles are just stupid theater.

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You can be against spending but it doesn't mean you will get less spending.

You conflate aspirations with outcomes too much.

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Fight! Fight! Fight!

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I have no idea.

Politicians that label themselves as conservative have spent like hell. The McConnell gang are good examples.

Politicians that label themselves as liberals have have spent like hell (almost all liberals) and even some have spent less than so called conservatives (like Dennis Kucinich).

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You didn't read page 1. That point was already discarded as non-responsive and an attempt at digression.

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That's not an answer. We aren't talking about people. We are talking about principles.

So ad homs, tweets about something someone said once, past pols, etc. are not relevant to this discussion.

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There was a time when this wasn't in question, but I feel we need to get back to first principles and use those to define commonly-used terms

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We are. That's why we elected Trump. Tariffs, getting the Union back tot he middle.... etc..


All once conservative issues.

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It seems they only oppose Democrats doing the spending. The actual spending they are OK with. Seemingly.

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Yes, because most of the time MAGA just means "against the DEMs" so their entire worldview is literally being led around by the DEMs

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Uni-party policy.

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Could have ended the thread right there^^^^^

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I vote for politicians that have aspirations that are aligned with aspirations that I agree with.

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I'm kinda done with intentions > action.

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I have never voted for a politician that has fulfilled all aspirations. That's fantasy.

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I'd settle for any. I thought Trump was different. Seems like hes no different that the establishment. He's backing their bills. Winning!

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This is a discussion about principles and political philosophy. I would expect that as your response (as its the limit of your discourse)

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He'll have a conversation with most people. But there are a few that does not want that. They just want to troll.

Like you. Nothing anybody says to you will ever resonate because you are a troll.

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I don't think many people would accept the MAGA movement as a Uniparty movement,

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Everyone hates the man, until they become the man.

Government spending has more intertia than anything else known to mankind.