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re: Is it a good thing many WH officials ignored Trump?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:26 pm to Gray Tiger
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:26 pm to Gray Tiger
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And yet he still got elected President over "it's her turn".
What can I say? It’s still a democracy and the guy is one hell of a salesman.
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:28 pm to Lsut81
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LOfrickingL... I haven’t read anything you are replying to, just skimming the thread, but no matter what it is, this is golden right here.
Lol, you got me. I’ll go correct.
Nonetheless, it was grammatical vs. actual incomprehension I was commenting on. But touché.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:33 pm to Redleg Guy
OK, my script must be missing that page
What EXACTLY did Trump ORDER that was ignored?
What EXACTLY did Trump ORDER that was ignored?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:42 pm to buckeye_vol
Nah. One of an advisor’s key roles is to listen to the leader vent, giving him an avenue to do so with the advisor/assistant as the backstop. A leader can certainly vent on the same issue multiple times and still NOT truly expect that “order” to be carried out.
Mid career I worked as the military advisor/executive officer for the second most senior GO in AFG. It was my job to read his mood, and assess whether the direction was to be done now, or to ask him again later. I sent visitors away all the time if he was in a bad mood over something, often unrelated, with the advice that “nows not a good time to seek approval for that, if you want it approved.” Other things of the day he’d be receptive to virtually any reasonable request. High level leaders making monumental decisions can be volatile yet supremely effective. And a key part of the success model is picking the right advisors and using them, but always assessing their suitability for the role in a changing environment. Trump seems to do this well.
He’s the POTUS. If he truly wanted an order executed it would have been executed. The FACT that these orders weren’t carried out is proof positive of his true intent.
Mid career I worked as the military advisor/executive officer for the second most senior GO in AFG. It was my job to read his mood, and assess whether the direction was to be done now, or to ask him again later. I sent visitors away all the time if he was in a bad mood over something, often unrelated, with the advice that “nows not a good time to seek approval for that, if you want it approved.” Other things of the day he’d be receptive to virtually any reasonable request. High level leaders making monumental decisions can be volatile yet supremely effective. And a key part of the success model is picking the right advisors and using them, but always assessing their suitability for the role in a changing environment. Trump seems to do this well.
He’s the POTUS. If he truly wanted an order executed it would have been executed. The FACT that these orders weren’t carried out is proof positive of his true intent.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:44 pm to FlySaint
quote:He actually didn’t have the authority to give some of the orders that were in the report, and those who refused to comply knew that. So the fact that those weren’t carried out doesn’t change its intent; it just shows that he ordered someone with knowledge of the lawfulness, or lack thereof, of the order.
He’s the POTUS. If he truly wanted an order executed it would have been executed. The FACT that these orders weren’t carried out is proof positive of his true intent.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:49 pm to buckeye_vol
Your law degree is from where?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:04 pm to roadGator
quote:It doesn’t take a law degree to read the special council law and see who has the authority to remove the special council:
Your law degree is from where?
quote:and the legal basis for a removal
The Special Counsel may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General.
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The Attorney General may remove a Special Counsel for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:11 pm to mettematt9
You made another grammatical error.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:18 pm to buckeye_vol
Proving my point. Trump knew who could fire or limit the SC. Directing someone other than Sessions to do these things is venting. Ordering Sessions to do these things, or else, maybe....but he didn’t do that.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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for misconduct
so the perjury trap of Flynn, no?
Or the constant attempts to do the same to Trump?
When you've known for years that something wasn't true, why force them to testify under oath about what you already know? That's pretty much the definition if misconduct, right? Creating a crime, where there wasn't one? Something similar pretty much cost the DA of the Duke lacrosse case his entire career, amirite? Loss of law license and all
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:28 pm to FlySaint
quote:So he ordered his White House Council to order RR to fire Mueller on multiple occasions, even calling McGahn on the phone to do so on one of them, and that was just purely him venting? To appears he did know that RR had the authority, but he seemed to not be aware that it has to have a legal justification for cause (not just what he think is one), and that the appointment of the legal council required a conflict of interest in the first place, and Trump was the cause of the conflict of interest and basically the conflict of interest himself.
Proving my point. Trump knew who could fire or limit the SC. Directing someone other than Sessions to do these things is venting. Ordering Sessions to do these things, or else, maybe....but he didn’t do that.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:29 pm to BBONDS25
The “witnesses” who told Mueller that Trump ordered them to do these “unethical” or “suspicious” tasks, just so happen to have either long documented histories as establishment GOP themselves or as being employed by long time GOPe members of Congress.
Rick Dearborn was jeff sessions’ chief of staff for 12 years and knew Trump for less than 2 years- which one would he want to “defend” more?!
Don McGahn- long history as GOPe, and have to take into consideration that McGahns testimony was built around his “suspicions” that Trumps new legal team would try to blame him for certain situations- so he obviously wanted to paint Trump as poorly as possible to counter that; originally though, back at the beginning of muellers obstruction probe, McGahn thought Trump should restrict the testimony of his admin and staffers, and invoke executive privilege, etc. rather than be open and cooperative.. interesting 180 in his line of thought... LINK
Reince Preibus- no need in even explaining his past.
Noticeably, Of all the Trump associates, admin, and WH staffers that Mueller interrogated and received documents from, he used little to none of any testimony from those were closest to Trump and with him for the longest.
Eerily similar to the way that Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence from the courts in his cases against PapaD, Flynn, Manafort and Cohen.
It’s almost like he’s got an agenda or something.
Rick Dearborn was jeff sessions’ chief of staff for 12 years and knew Trump for less than 2 years- which one would he want to “defend” more?!
Don McGahn- long history as GOPe, and have to take into consideration that McGahns testimony was built around his “suspicions” that Trumps new legal team would try to blame him for certain situations- so he obviously wanted to paint Trump as poorly as possible to counter that; originally though, back at the beginning of muellers obstruction probe, McGahn thought Trump should restrict the testimony of his admin and staffers, and invoke executive privilege, etc. rather than be open and cooperative.. interesting 180 in his line of thought... LINK
Reince Preibus- no need in even explaining his past.
Noticeably, Of all the Trump associates, admin, and WH staffers that Mueller interrogated and received documents from, he used little to none of any testimony from those were closest to Trump and with him for the longest.
Eerily similar to the way that Mueller withheld exculpatory evidence from the courts in his cases against PapaD, Flynn, Manafort and Cohen.
It’s almost like he’s got an agenda or something.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:31 pm to CheniereTiger108
quote:Somehow you didn’t include Bannon in that. He’s about as anti-GOPe as it gets.
The “witnesses” who told Mueller that Trump ordered them to do these “unethical” or “suspicious” tasks, just so happen to have either long documented histories as establishment GOP themselves or as being employed by long time GOPe members of Congress.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:31 pm to VOR
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helping Trump evade justice.
Justice for what exactly? He didn't do anything.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 10:50 pm to Redleg Guy
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However, not sure what to think that they felt empowered enough, and got away with, straight up ignoring Trump.
Maybe they actually cared about the Republic and the Constitution more than their own careers, unlike the pathological lying sack of shite, Trump, who cares about one thing...himself.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:30 am to buckeye_vol
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seemed like it was intended as an order.
Did this action occur or did it not occur?
Obstruction by contemplation is not a thing, it's just not.
You can not Obstruct Justice by not obstructing justice.
GTFO with all this bullshite
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:02 pm to VOR
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evade justice.
Justice for what, beating Hillary? How pathetic.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 8:41 pm to Dick Leverage
Good thing this is English class eh?
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