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re: Is homeschooling the next hill to die on for liberals in America?
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:19 pm to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:19 pm to Mike da Tigah
Liberals hate homeschooling because they can't indoctrinate homeschooled kids the way they do kids in public schools.
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:00 pm to P2K
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You act like parents who homeschool don’t have to follow a governed curriculum.
We don't.
Truth is you learn also to keep your head down and don't give the state a reason to intervene for anything. Don't apply for anything that would get them nosing in your business.
They have tried over the years to tie tax credits to Homeschoolers similar to vouchers and using them to purchase your curriculum or things like laptops. That puts you in under their purview to some degree.
We did utilize speech therapy through the school system. When my youngest was little but they kicked us out as fast as they could. Didn't even let him have an end of the year presentation on what he worked on all year like they said.
Our 3 have done well and we do purchase accredited catholic curriculum and they are tested quarterly. I'll tell you my daughter's 8th grade Algebra is similar to senior high math and I supplement history as it was my minor. My wife was a certified teacher who quit school to stay home.
There are huge benefits but there are also drawbacks.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:58 pm to m2pro
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it's whatever you MAKE it
What are the guidelines for the homeschool curriculum?
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:33 am to tarzana
I hate to break it to some of you fine folks, but in the 1960s and 1970s in California most of the first homeschoolers were liberals or environmentalists.
Every state allows parents to homeschool and most states have very few regulations. I did a research paper on this 15 years ago when working on my Doctorate.
Every state allows parents to homeschool and most states have very few regulations. I did a research paper on this 15 years ago when working on my Doctorate.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 2:11 am to GeorgeWest
It's a known fact home school kids and fantasies of incest.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:09 am to OutThatMelph
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It's a known fact home school kids and fantasies of incest.
this isnt even known grammar.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:10 am to GeorgeWest
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I hate to break it to some of you fine folks, but in the 1960s and 1970s in California most of the first homeschoolers were liberals or environmentalists.
Still is.
Youre apparently the only one who didnt know. Granolas are anti vaxxers (real ones) and homeschoolers.
Congrats on the knowledge.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:41 am to P2K
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You act like parents who homeschool don’t have to follow a governed curriculum.
Too bad for you that you weren’t homeschooled.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 5:43 am to Mike da Tigah
Homeschooled kids have access to a better education. No argument from me.
However, “school” is about so much more than reading, writing, arithmetic. School is where I kissed my first girl on the playground. It’s where I learned how to flirt with girls, and deal with bullies. Dealing with embarrassment or getting a shiner in my first fist fight. After school me and my buddies would take the bus to another friend’s house and fish until it was time to go home.
I see my own kids enjoying these same experiences as they grow up. I don’t think it would be the same if they were homeschooled.
However, “school” is about so much more than reading, writing, arithmetic. School is where I kissed my first girl on the playground. It’s where I learned how to flirt with girls, and deal with bullies. Dealing with embarrassment or getting a shiner in my first fist fight. After school me and my buddies would take the bus to another friend’s house and fish until it was time to go home.
I see my own kids enjoying these same experiences as they grow up. I don’t think it would be the same if they were homeschooled.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 5:47 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:32 am to GeorgeWest
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I hate to break it to some of you fine folks, but in the 1960s and 1970s in California most of the first homeschoolers were liberals or environmentalists.
Yes, these were the weird and awkward kids spoken of throughout the thread.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:03 am to Mike da Tigah
The majority of parents (IMO anyway) have no business being teachers to their children which puts us in a quandary.
Was it any coincidence that during Covid kids didn't stay on top of their school work and learning? Nope. It's because the parents were working and strangely enough ARE NOT TEACHERS.
Was it any coincidence that during Covid kids didn't stay on top of their school work and learning? Nope. It's because the parents were working and strangely enough ARE NOT TEACHERS.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:08 am to redneck hippie
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However, “school” is about so much more than reading, writing, arithmetic. School is where I kissed my first girl on the playground. It’s where I learned how to flirt with girls, and deal with bullies. Dealing with embarrassment or getting a shiner in my first fist fight. After school me and my buddies would take the bus to another friend’s house and fish until it was time to go home.
I see my own kids enjoying these same experiences as they grow up. I don’t think it would be the same if they were homeschooled.
I wondered that too and then we homeschooled.
We still do all the things. Rec sports. Dance for the daughter. Co-ops for schooling. Local schools can allow your kids to play sports if they are in district.
There are dances organized. This year we had a homeschool prom. 300 kids showed up. I bbqed for 30 kids before they went in my backyard.
It is all about effort. If you choose to be a shut in (and there are) you'll miss all those opportunities.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:10 am to LRB1967
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Liberals hate homeschooling because they can't indoctrinate homeschooled kids the way they do kids in public schools.
Well, yeah.
That and the fact that someone who is completely untrained—provided they can understand the material they are teaching—can usually do just good or better at teaching someone something than teachers with master's degrees pretty much renders their existence superfluous.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:19 am to redneck hippie
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However, “school” is about so much more than reading, writing, arithmetic. School is where I kissed my first girl on the playground. It’s where I learned how to flirt with girls, and deal with bullies. Dealing with embarrassment or getting a shiner in my first fist fight. After school me and my buddies would take the bus to another friend’s house and fish until it was time to go home.
I see my own kids enjoying these same experiences as they grow up. I don’t think it would be the same if they were homeschooled.
Yeah, but instead of kissing your first girl, and overcoming bullies and the like, it may be where you smoked your first crack rock, or had to learn how to deal with a future prison population, or learned that your plumbing does not indicate your sex, in as much as your human body doesn’t mean you’re not a tea pot. This isn’t the same world most of us grew up in. It just isn’t.
Reading, writing, and arithmetic is the only thing these kids need to be educated in really. No worries, there’s going to be plenty of bullies in life to learn how to deal with, as well as girls to kiss, maybe girls that come from good families with good values.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:22 am to idlewatcher
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Was it any coincidence that during Covid kids didn't stay on top of their school work and learning? Nope. It's because the parents were working and strangely enough ARE NOT TEACHERS.
But they can be. We are structured poorly and have access to only public education. Two parents have to work and have a hard time focusing on schooling.
Homeschooling offers a variety of curriculum support numbers and teaching videos on the computer. A little knowledge and effort and a phone call with a curriculum coordinator can help you pick out the books you need for your kids based on needs. They can also test them and address shortcoming.
Things public can assist with is special needs like speech and hearing disabilities.
Covid gave us access to the public school materials and what was being produced was garbage. Not sure how to levy that on the parents but the infrastructure wasn't there. Kids don't bring home books and it shows a glaring hole there. They've attached you to the schoolhouse and their subscription modules.
Our kids had books at home and never missed a beat. We still came and went as if nothing was wrong.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:25 am to redneck hippie
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However, “school” is about so much more than reading, writing, arithmetic. School is where I kissed my first girl on the playground. It’s where I learned how to flirt with girls, and deal with bullies. Dealing with embarrassment or getting a shiner in my first fist fight. After school me and my buddies would take the bus to another friend’s house and fish until it was time to go home.
I see my own kids enjoying these same experiences as they grow up.
The problem is that your kid's experience in school is not going to be like yours.
He may end up flirting with or kissing a guy who goes by the name "Tina" and takes puberty blockers and estrogen.
He may be embarrassed by a teacher simply because he is white.
If he gets in a fight at school he may be legally prosecuted for it, especially if the fight is with a minority, OR, the fight may consist of him getting stomped to death by a feral pack of minority students.
It depends on where you live as far as how likely any of those scenarios are, but no matter where you live they are a 100 times more likely than they were when you went to school.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:31 am to Mike da Tigah
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Yeah, but instead of kissing your first girl, and overcoming bullies and the like, it may be where you smoked your first crack rock, or had to learn how to deal with a future prison population
tomato tomato
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:47 am to LSUMANINVA
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Too bad for you that you weren’t homeschooled.
Too bad for us all and indeed the future of Liberty in this country.
The most pernicious lie perpetrated upon most of us was the pledge of eternal loyalty to the Feral Government of the United States that we were required to recite uncritically in government youth indoctrination centers (aka as public schools.)
Our nation’s founders would have found pledging eternal allegiance to a flag to be an abhorrent act.
The Constitution never would have been ratified if the sovereign and independent states knew it would be transfigured into a compact unto death.
“However strong a Government may be, it cannot easily escape from the consequences of a principle which it has once admitted as the foundation of its Constitution. The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the states; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the states chooses to withdraw from the compact, it would be difficult to disapprove its right of doing so, and the Federal Government would have no means of maintaining its claims directly either by force or right.”Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:53 am to redneck hippie
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However, “school” is about so much more than reading, writing, arithmetic. School is where I kissed my first girl on the playground. It’s where I learned how to flirt with girls, and deal with bullies. Dealing with embarrassment or getting a shiner in my first fist fight. After school me and my buddies would take the bus to another friend’s house and fish until it was time to go home.
I see my own kids enjoying these same experiences as they grow up.
Unless youre a lazy parent, your kids can get those experiences outside of public schools.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:53 am to redneck hippie
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However, “school” is about so much more than reading, writing, arithmetic. School is where I kissed my first girl on the playground. It’s where I learned how to flirt with girls, and deal with bullies. Dealing with embarrassment or getting a shiner in my first fist fight. After school me and my buddies would take the bus to another friend’s house and fish until it was time to go home.
Yes. Homeschooled children experience none of these things.
Indeed, without Daddy Government facilitating every aspect of our social lives, our lives would be an empty, hollow existence. Oh thank you all mighty State for fulfilling our miserable existence!
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