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Is collusion a fedral crime?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:29 pm
What information would need to be gathered from a foreign nation for it to become a federal crime involving an election.
Anyone care to inform me?
Anyone care to inform me?
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 10:32 pm
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Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:30 pm to tigernchicago
Collusion is not a legal term.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:31 pm to tigernchicago
I am not sure, but mis-spelling collusion probably should be.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:31 pm to tigernchicago
The only Collusion with the Russians was between the Democrats and Hillary Clinton.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:37 pm to tigernchicago
Hacking emails is a crime. Foreign involvent including money in federal elections is a crime. Accessory and or conspiracy relating to crimes are crimes. So if you’re defining collusion broadly in layman’s terms as being an accessory or conspiracy then yes it can be a crime. But the term is not technically a crime.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:37 pm to tigernchicago
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Is collusion a fedral crime?
No, you could literally have a video of Trump and Putin discussing working together to make Hillary Clinton look like an idiot and to get Trump to win, and there is no crime.
The ONLY way it could move into a crime is if Trump promised Putin something in return for either funding or something of value.
Putin could have emailed Trump a file called "all Russia's dirt on Hillary Clinton" and that is not illegal.
Further, in actuality, nothing Russia did RE Facebook was illegal either.
Now, foreigners can't contribute to a US election campaign, so perhaps one could make an argument that if Trump knew that a Russian gave information to the campaign that that information has intrinsic vale and then that would be illegal, but that's tough to prove that information has value. For example, did FaceBook violate the law when they gave Obama campaign data in 2012? Tough to prove that data has value and thus is a campaign donation.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:38 pm to tigernchicago
collusion is a colloquial term that's convenient for characterizing conspiracies and a variety of substantive crimes (bank fraud, wire fraud, criminal hacking, election law violations, etc).
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Collusion is not a legal term.
This is not correct. Collusion is illegal when you are talking about the business world.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:41 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Now, foreigners can't contribute to a US election campaign, so perhaps one could make an argument that if Trump knew that a Russian gave information to the campaign that that information has intrinsic vale and then that would be illegal, but that's tough to prove that information has value.
This is where it get murky. It gets really murky if a foreign organization funnels money into a PAC, and then that PAC uses it to run campaign ads on behalf of a candidate (which I believe is technically legal).
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:42 pm to MuhDeepState
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Hacking emails is a crime. Foreign involvent including money in federal elections is a crime. Accessory and or conspiracy relating to crimes are crimes. So if you’re defining collusion broadly in layman’s terms as being an accessory or conspiracy then yes it can be a crime. But the term is not technically a crime
This is the dumbest post I've seen in quite some time. You are a moron.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:45 pm to IrishTiger89
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This is where it get murky. It gets really murky if a foreign organization funnels money into a PAC, and then that PAC uses it to run campaign ads on behalf of a candidate (which I believe is technically legal).
That is legal. A PAC is NOT supposed to coordinate or be part of any campaign and thus really there isn't much scrutiny over who donates to them insofar as foreigners go, maybe there should be (okay for sure there should be ) but every motherfricker in DC has PACs funded by foreigners (mostly China) and that isn't illegal.
They simply can't give the money directly to campaigns. Nor can PACs funnel money directly to the campaigns. They have to be entirely separate, and that's whether foreigners are involved or not.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:46 pm to bencoleman
Ben, with respect, which parts are wrong? Is hacking not a crime? Why is Gussifer in jail?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Exactly.
Collusion is not a legal term.
Conspiracy is a crime. If I steel candy from a baby, the crime is a misdemeanor. If you and I conspire to steel candy from a baby, the crime is a felony.
It is a much more serious matter in law to conspire.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:49 pm to tigernchicago
I don’t think so
Lying under oath is
Lying under oath is
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:49 pm to matthew25
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Ben, with respect, which parts are wrong? Is hacking not a crime? Why is Gussifer in jail?
Your "laymen definition" of collusion is retarded.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:51 pm to BigAppleBucky
quote:Not more serious, but easier to commit.
It is a much more serious matter in law to conspire.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:53 pm to bencoleman
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This is the dumbest post I've seen in quite some time. You are a moron.
Time for bed old guy. You’re starting to sundown.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:54 pm to MuhDeepState
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Not more serious, but easier to commit.
Not really. First of all, the underlying act has to be illegal, or the the conspiracy isn't illegal.
Second of all, in most cases you have to show intent before conspiracy applies.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:56 pm to matthew25
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Paul Rosenzweig is former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security and founder of Red Branch Consulting.
Collusion is not a federal crime (except in the unique case of antitrust law), so we should all just stop using “collusion” as a short-hand for criminality.
But that doesn’t mean that the alleged cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russia is of no criminal interest. To the contrary, if true, it may have violated any number of criminal prohibitions.
For example, if Donald Trump Jr. sought “dirt” on Hillary Clinton from the Russians, he might be charged with conspiring to violate the election laws of the United States, which prohibit foreign nationals from contributing any “thing of value” to an electoral campaign. The opposition dirt is at least plausibly a thing of value. And to the extent that the Trump campaign aided, abetted or advised the Russians (or any other hackers) about what would be most useful to steal from the Democrats or how best to enhance the impact of their release, they may well have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
LINK
Posted on 4/9/18 at 10:58 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Not really. First of all, the underlying act has to be illegal, or the the conspiracy isn't illegal. Second of all, in most cases you have to show intent before conspiracy applies.
But the underlying act doesn’t have to be committed. So you can be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder without murdering anyone.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 10:59 pm
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