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re: Is college football more important than politics to you?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Right. Politics.
Politics would imply a situation where sides need to be chosen. Are you seriously not old enough to remember when both parties were perfectly fine with standing for our national anthem?
To imply that the anthem belongs to one party or the other is really idiotic.
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:11 pm to DaleGribble
quote:Louisiana literally passed a law - the very definition of politics.
I see segregation as a social issue, more so than political.
quote:I'm not sure how this bolsters your point. Jackie Robinson playing was a highly politicized event. Jesse Owens in the Olympics was the very definition of geo-political enmeshing with sports.
MLB was desegregated two decades before segregation was the hot topic of the 60s. Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, and several others were making bank in their sports long before the 60s. Jesse Owens in the Olympics, etc, etc.
quote:This just seems like a very convenient attempt at semantics. It also kind of makes the point for me.
If someone looks at it in the context of the times, there was nothing political about sports until very, very recently.
Again, I hate this woke bullshite too. But it isn't new. And sometimes, woke ain't wrong. The track athletes at the 1968 Olympics is a case in point - the white establishment was quite butthurt over that bit of politics in sport.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:wut
Your racial world view is anti scientific
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Your links were unnecessary.
See my post above about the 1950s and 1960s in sports. Your memory of past events is facile.
Is it your assertion that you don't think that the overt racism you cited likely had some impact on black viewership of said events? Ya know. Like if an event is held by people saying, "frick black people", blacks likely watched less than they might otherwise have?
Also, it's somewhat telling that you had to go back that far. Just sayin........
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:13 pm to DaleGribble
quote:How do you not think there weren't sides to be chosen in the 1960s in college sport in the south? If you "chose" to want blacks on LSU's teams, what were your choices?
Politics would imply a situation where sides need to be chosen.
quote:How does that mean it's not political? What does the national anthem - the musical embodiment of the American body politic - have to do with sports?
Are you seriously not old enough to remember when both parties were perfectly fine with standing for our national anthem?
To imply that the anthem belongs to one party or the other is really idiotic
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:14 pm to DaleGribble
quote:
Politics would imply a situation where sides need to be chosen.
Correct.
He doesn't understand. Its a waste of time teaching people who do not want to learn.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:15 pm to Blue_Rocky
quote:I would assume it did. How does that negate the point that politics in sports is nothing new?
Is it your assertion that you don't think that the overt racism you cited likely had some impact on black viewership of said events?
quote:I didn't. I stayed local for a reason though. I've listed other events that happened more recently than that.
Also, it's somewhat telling that you had to go back that far. Just sayin.......
And the military's enmeshing with the NFL year in year out is a great example.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:And, for DECADES, it has been NOTHING CLOSE to as overt and in your face as the examples you mentioned OR, more recent years.
I would assume it did. How does that negate the point that politics in sports is nothing new?
quote:This is just silly. You know as well as I do that what is going on today is much more akin to your examples from the 50s and 60s than friggin flyovers.
And the military's enmeshing with the NFL year in year out is a great example.
As I already pointed out. We've ALL known for a long time that things that entertain us have people we disagree with. That's as old as time. And, it largely doesn't cause anyone to give two shits. We still listen to our favorite music, watch their movies, etc etc.
We're a good bit PAST that shite and you know it.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:22 pm to Craig86
I would say CF if it was a decade ago.
I honestly don’t care anymore. I love wings, so I might catch a game at a bar, but I won’t attend a game or schedule my life around games.
I honestly don’t care anymore. I love wings, so I might catch a game at a bar, but I won’t attend a game or schedule my life around games.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:22 pm to Craig86
College football is great. But this pandemic shut down stuff has taught me that is easier to go without than I thought.
I dont care about politics at all. I despise all of them, neither side is worth a damn. Until we have a change of trajectory politically, there is nothing to care about. They are all identical.
The crazy thing is people still fight for their 'side'.
I dont care about politics at all. I despise all of them, neither side is worth a damn. Until we have a change of trajectory politically, there is nothing to care about. They are all identical.
The crazy thing is people still fight for their 'side'.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:25 pm to Craig86
Politics has put my young man luxury-hatred for teams like Auburn into full perspective.
In one way it weakens the iron bowl rivalry to me b/c i'd be damn proud to fight alongside ANY of my sec brethren if it came to war.
Football is a luxury stress. Politics and foreign affairs are like STDs. No cure.
In one way it weakens the iron bowl rivalry to me b/c i'd be damn proud to fight alongside ANY of my sec brethren if it came to war.
Football is a luxury stress. Politics and foreign affairs are like STDs. No cure.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I made the claim that politics has always been a part of sports. This board acts as if politics in sports just happened. It didn't.
What you espoused was racism more so than politics.
These "woke" people today have never experienced what Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens experienced.
In fact, they are coddled today. White Liberals have no problem with people like George Floyd saying he had been "oppressed".
Hell, they burned cities and looted in the name of losers like George Floyd.
Liberals have injected politics into sports especially ESPN.
Big difference between actual racism in sports (Owens, Robinson) and what is going on today.
Jalen Rose actually called Kevin Love a "token white boy" and was not fired.
Can you imagine if Lee Corso called Desmond Howard a "token black boy"?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:32 pm to Craig86
I watch CFB when my team is on but no longer spend all day saturday making sure i catch every game.
its bloated IMO.
coaches overpaid
facilities overbuilt
awful officiating
fans fat and obnoxious
far, far too corporate for my taste these days
its bloated IMO.
coaches overpaid
facilities overbuilt
awful officiating
fans fat and obnoxious
far, far too corporate for my taste these days
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:34 pm to Blue_Rocky
quote:OK, so we're admitting it's nothing new? My basic point is that the baws that are so outraged now probably would have been just fine in 1968 - that is to say, it's the actual political positions themselves that are the problem and not so much the mere presence of politics.
And, for DECADES, it has been NOTHING CLOSE to as overt and in your face as the examples you mentioned OR, more recent years.
quote:I'm just giving you examples. I've been bitching about the NFL/military thing for years. I think it's obscene. That hasn't stopped me watching the Saints. That's because I accept politics in sports and it doesn't bother me.
This is just silly. You know as well as I do that what is going on today is much more akin to your examples from the 50s and 60s than friggin flyovers.
quote:I see plenty of talk on here about boycotting certain musicians/actors.
We still listen to our favorite music, watch their movies, etc etc.
quote:Politics comes in many forms. I'm simply pointing out the simple fact that politics has nearly always been present in sport. I mean, the LSU program ITSELF is routinely used as a political bludgeon by state politicians.
We're a good bit PAST that shite and you know it.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:36 pm to YumYum Sauce
quote:
far, far too corporate for my taste these days
First Covid, now its the NIL.
I find that the sport is becoming too much like the NFL or NBA, reliant on personality, and its a huge turnoff.
I don't know how much I will watch this year. I only watched LSU last year.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:45 pm to DaleGribble
quote:To come back to this point, let's take the ultimate example of what theoretically kicked all this shite off: Kaepernick kneeling.
Politics would imply a situation where sides need to be chosen.
What "side" did you have to choose when he did that? What does that even mean? Let him kneel his little heart out. Then comes the kickoff. Who gives a shite?
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:45 pm to Craig86
Nope.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:47 pm to 93and99
quote:Thank you for making my point. It's the political point itself that you object to and not the idea that politics might be generically involved.
These "woke" people today have never experienced what Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens experienced.
In fact, they are coddled today. White Liberals have no problem with people like George Floyd saying he had been "oppressed".
quote:Athletes did? Link?
Hell, they burned cities and looted in the name of losers like George Floyd.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Thank you for making my point. It's the political point itself that you object to and not the idea that politics might be generically involved.
I don't know how you come to that conclusion.
"Racism" in sports today is a red herring.
Worthless White Liberals along with crybaby Black people have chosen to interject politics into sports.
quote:
Athletes did? Link?
No, they just whine on twitter about fake racism.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 2:56 pm to Craig86
No.
As ive gotten older i dont care for a bunch of entitled teens that abuse drugs and women.
And its not just a few, American football players have the highest rates of domestic violence.
But pieces of shite like big scrub will cheer them on and look away while he acts morally superior.
As ive gotten older i dont care for a bunch of entitled teens that abuse drugs and women.
And its not just a few, American football players have the highest rates of domestic violence.
But pieces of shite like big scrub will cheer them on and look away while he acts morally superior.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 2:58 pm
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