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re: Is Betsy Devos the worse cabinet member in trumps administration

Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:45 pm to
Posted by Wild Thang
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Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:45 pm to
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Pbhog


Do you have to sky scream everyday?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:46 pm to
The whole point of charters is to add competitive forces into our education system

That never hurts anyone

Better yet, let’s completely abolish the DOE

States were running their systems fine
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 3/28/19 at 10:50 pm to
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he whole point of charters is to add competitive forces into our education system


Wrong. The point of charters is to allow variances to state rules that are tied to money. Congrats. You learned something today.
The charters can try things that regular schools/systems can't. But there are still very strict measurements/student achievement requirements tied to those freedoms.

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Better yet, let’s completely abolish the DOE


Why are you for increased spending on charters and abandoning the DOE?
You don't see inconsistencies in that position?
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/28/19 at 11:39 pm to
So, in your school district there are charter schools and non/charter schools (traditional public schools) and kids are assigned to these schools based on their home address with no differences between the two types?

In other words, a child is assigned to a school by the school board and it could possibly be either a charter or a traditional school?

That’s a new one on me. I pretty much assumed that charter schools and school choice went hand in hand.

Now then, here’s another question. Are you stating as fact that the charter schools are being given more money per student than traditional schools in the same district under the Devos/Trump plan?

Are you certain that the “extra money for charter schools” isn’t actually money spent to facilitate additional charter schools in districts that need assistance in getting them started?
Posted by Ollieoxenfree99
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 12:33 am to
So what? There are plenty of rich people that have money burning holes in their pockets.

Maybe they could pony up instead of donating to the DNC.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 6:42 am to
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So, in your school district


My entire district is charter. All of the schools are alotted state waivers. There are no non-charter schools in my district.

It has nothing to do with choice/competition. It has everything to do with less restrictions on spending money.

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Now then, here’s another question. Are you stating as fact that the charter schools are being given more money per student than traditional schools in the same district under the Devos/Trump plan?

I don't know specifically what the money from DOE goes to. I highly doubt that the charter funds is specific for FTE (money per student within charters). But that is just speculation. Our district does get money from the state for the sole purpose of being a charter (not tied to per student). And that money could be sourced from the federal DOE.

The point is that charter and traditional schools have the exact same purpose. There are loopholes where private schools can convert to charter schools (and still remain private) to get these funds. The federal government shouldn't be cutting their education budget and rewarding cronies/interests without those cuts. Cuts should be broad and non-discriminatory.

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Are you certain that the “extra money for charter schools” isn’t actually money spent to facilitate additional charter schools in districts that need assistance in getting them started?


Yeah. That's not a thing.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 7:14 am to
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Yeah they didn’t confer degrees or anything. It was just called a “university.” Basically your standard high pressure sales tactic scam. Kinda like when you buy a used car and they won’t let you leave the office.


Where did you get this info?
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20119 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 7:36 am to
My friend, it appears you are uninformed. Yes, of course, the charter schools by definition are given “less restrictions” on how to spend money.

You fail to note that each state/school district sets in place a uniquely different set of rules for charters. You state that private schools are converting to charter schools as if that’s a bad thing. That is the intention and design of the charter system.

The charter concept is that you allow freedom from many restrictions on the money and rules that had become stifling in the traditional public schools (switching from top-down planning to local planning) AND you allow the charters to compete with each other and traditional schools for students and for performance measurements set by the state.

Each charter has to undergo audits and a review process to make sure they are teaching the proper curricula, have open and fair enrollment procedures, etc.

It is expected that some charters will out-perform others, and ostensibly attract more students, and that some charters will fail and have their charter revoked.

This is the model that this administration is choosing to devote resources to. It is demonstrable that charters are outperforming traditional schools, and even if you disagree with that, the freedom of choice means that bad charters will either improve or fail, AND (here’s the key) by giving parents and students a choice they are empowered and take ownership of their education to a much greater degree than previously.

I can’t speak for every state or school district, but usually the amount of funding going to charter schools is closely monitored on the state and local level.

Each school has a different mission/challenge. Schools with greater number of ISP’s, special programming, etc. require more funding and that is taken into account.

The notion that the US DOE would give individual charter schools more money than traditional public schools in the same school district is, frankly, highly unlikely and possibly illegal. I’d be willing to bet that is not the case.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 7:37 am to
Brother is billionaire donor
Posted by Gus007
TN
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:18 am to
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Lol you think teachers salaries are causing university tuition to rise. What you smoking



Don't you think its the "basket weaving" courses and the added number of counselors they have added to pacify the snow flakes. In addition they expanded the time length to earn a degree.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:22 am to
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I'm not a fan of the idea of cutting Special Olympics


It's a scam. All federal funds for it need to end.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:24 am to
She's pro-common core and pro-central control of education. So yes, her presence in the administration is a big problem. It allows progressives to maintain the control of education they need for their eventual ultimate victory.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112511 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:27 am to
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It allows progressives to maintain the control of education they need for their eventual ultimate victory.


Yeah, that's why Democrats love her and want her to stay. Yep, you've figured that one out.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:37 am to
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Yeah, that's why Democrats love her and want her to stay. Yep, you've figured that one out.


Democrats want to replace her because she's not necessarily aligned with their goals to use the public school system as a venue to push the LGBTQ agenda. That doesn't mean she's aligned with our goal of ending federal interference in the school system, eliminating common core, and returning control to the states. You cannot use the one ring to overthrow Sauron.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 9:38 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:38 am to
What makes you say this?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112511 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:42 am to
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Democrats want to replace her because she's not necessarily aligned with their goals to use the public school system as a venue to push the LGBTQ agenda. That doesn't mean she's aligned with our goal of ending federal interference in the school system, eliminating common core, and returning control to the states. You cannot use the one ring to overthrow Sauron.


She is the most anti-Big Educ. person to head that dept. in its history.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 9:45 am to
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Something smells fishy


Probably your vagina. May I e-prescribe you some Flagyl?
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:07 am to
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You fail to note that each state/school district sets in place a uniquely different set of rules for charters

What do you think a state variance is within the charter? Lol.

Everything you typed is included in the state variance to the charter.

What you fail to mention is that public charter schools cannot get variances to federal guidelines.

However private schools (including private charters) are not held to that standard. With that lack of accountability, the private institutions should not be receiving any federal funds. And there is the cronyism. Wealthy private institutions are manipulating public dollars at the executive lecel at the expense of where the public dollars are intended to go.

Slashing the DOE budget and increasing funds that are able to leak to specific institutions is wrong. It is wrong because of the intent (to slide money to private institutions that aren't accountable in the same fashion as public schools for federal funding)

Posted by dixiechick
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:18 am to
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 8:46 am
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
6939 posts
Posted on 3/29/19 at 10:24 am to
Well...it looks like the department of education needs more funding since you can't spell worst.
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