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re: Is being racist always wrong?

Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:56 am to
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 9:56 am to
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Anyone who has truly never longed to be another race is, at least on a subconscious level, saying that his race is superior.


I gave this some serious thought and I've decided that throughout my life I have only longed for things that were possible... like having a nice car, a boat, a nice house on the lake.

I have never longed for anything that's impossible... traveling to Mars, being a girl, being another race. What's the point of weighing the advantages of something that is not possible?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:05 am to
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I have never longed for anything that's impossible... traveling to Mars, being a girl, being another race. What's the point of weighing the advantages of something that is not possible?




Well I guess all types of personalities are different because I fantasize about things I know I'll never do all the time, like climbing Mount Everest or walking on the moon.
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 10:09 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
82776 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:10 am to
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I have never longed for anything that's impossible... traveling to Mars, being a girl, being another race



Theres a surgery for that...

Your dreams can come true

Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:11 am to
First, I don't think that definition applies in terms of what most consider racism today. For instance, many liberals consider thug the new N word and racist. To me, thug does not suggest superiority over said thug, rather it is a negative connotation that suggests criminal nature. As such, I think most of what is considered racism today is simply creating a negative image of a particular race.

Second, racism is a social construct often based on experience/reality. If a particular race has a disproportionate number of criminals, then perception stems from reality and members of the race should be looking at what needs to change socially to improve conditions and less concerned about racism. The racism will end when the reality changes.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
60888 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:19 am to
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[quote]Second, racism is a social construct often based on experience/reality. If a particular race has a disproportionate number of criminals, then perception stems from reality and members of the race should be looking at what needs to change socially to improve conditions and less concerned about racism. The racism will end when the reality changes.[/quote]




This can't happen if a certain segment of the population is purposely shielded from facing reality.
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 10:20 am
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:21 am to
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Theres a surgery for that..


Yeah, but it's pointless since I'm not attracted to men. If I were surgically transformed into a supermodel with big tits the only change in my life would be to install large mirrors in every room.
Posted by miamiman55
Miami
Member since Feb 2008
219 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:23 am to
Racism relates to causal arguments and categorizations based on superficial qualities.

Black skin represents, by extension, genetic qualities X,Y, and Z. When in fact there is as much variation in combination of X,Y, and Z within this pigmentation as there is on a scale including all peoples.

They are broad characterizations morons make in order to digest an otherwise complex system of genetics.

This is not to deny genetic variations, but rather to suggest you can't extrapolate anything meaningful from them based on such simple matters. Believe it or not,for example, there is an incredible degree of variation within the group many so intelligently classify as "squinted eyes".
This post was edited on 4/26/14 at 10:30 am
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:51 am to
"Not longing to be another race" = "subconsciously thinking your race is superior"

is some of the hokeyist bullshite I have ever heard

I don't even long to be anybody else in my own exact age/race/sex cohort. If I was different I would not be me. I am used to being me. I like me.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
60888 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 11:18 am to
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"Not longing to be another race" = "subconsciously thinking your race is superior" is some of the hokeyist bull shite I have ever heard



You mustn't read much
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46657 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 11:50 am to
Believing you are inherently superior in worth compared to another based on skin color or ethnicity is always wrong. It is both socially and scientifically ignorant.

Believing your culture is better is not necessarily wrong though.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 12:41 pm to
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a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.


and conversely: a person who believes that a particular race is inferior to another
(this is the insidious core of affirmative action, a/k/a "good racism")
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
60888 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 2:32 pm to
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and conversely: a person who believes that a particular race is inferior to another (this is the insidious core of affirmative action, a/k/a "good racism")



It's been said many times but I'll say it again. Enabling generational welfare simply out of guilt, or because deep down, one really thinks that some minorities are incapable of taking care of themselves is the worst kind of racism imaginable. Far worse then using the," N" word or making dumb stereotypical remarks. And not addressing one of the root causes of generational welfare, ( having no fathers in the home) is almost criminal.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 2:43 pm to
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It's been said many times but I'll say it again. Enabling generational welfare simply out of guilt, or because deep down, one really thinks that some minorities are incapable of taking care of themselves is the worst kind of racism imaginable. Far worse then using the," N" word or making dumb stereotypical remarks. And not addressing one of the root causes of generational welfare, ( having no fathers in the home) is almost criminal.



I think this point is lost on a lot of people who oppose all welfare programs. One of the fundamental ideals associated with welfare is to get people help temporarily so that they can later take care of themselves.

Obviously our welfare policies don't always work like that, but that is generally the logic behind them.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/26/14 at 2:44 pm to
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that is generally the logic behind them.
I'd disagree strongly.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
25784 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 2:48 pm to
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I'd disagree strongly.



Are you referring to buying votes and making people dependent on the government in a way to control them?

Politicians may use welfare that way, but that's not why welfare exists.
Posted by volforever
nashville
Member since May 2012
1788 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 2:56 pm to
Racism is part of nature, as long as two or more groups of beings can perceive differences between them, they will naturally align with the ones that are more like themselves.


Today's culture has been imposed from the top in an attempt to control this natural impulses, I believe they will fail in this endeavour.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
25784 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 2:58 pm to
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Racism is part of nature, as long as two or more groups of beings can perceive differences between them, they will naturally align with the ones that are more like themselves.



It's no different than LSU fans feeling their school is better than everyone elses.
Posted by volforever
nashville
Member since May 2012
1788 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:00 pm to
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It's no different than LSU fans feeling their school is better than everyone elses.






Something like that
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130895 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:09 pm to
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Politicians may use welfare that way, but that's not why welfare exists.
The proof is in actions.

i.e.,

Spanish language advertisements airing south of the border.

Efforts to seek out and enroll Appalachian families who originally had an innate aversion for dependency.

The structuring of dependency-provoking programs to weaken the family (and to be clear I am using the term "family" in this instance to reference any dual parent household).

Actions in this case, reveal intent IMO.
Posted by volforever
nashville
Member since May 2012
1788 posts
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:14 pm to
You are correct I suspect, the welfare laws that our country has made during the last 50 years were intended to achieve the destruction of the nuclear family, and to create dependent people.

They have succeeded.
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