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re: Is being racist always wrong?

Posted by miamiman55 on 4/27/14 at 7:48 pm to
Arguing with the facts concerning racism as fundamental to the founding and progression of this country won't go well for you. They're the antithesis of the ultra-liberal notion that everything we do runs through our racially discriminating faculties.

Just tip your cap. :cheers:
oops, responded to the wrong post.
I was going to say...
The only mistake here is making the "strong latino woman of greater experience than a white man could ever achieve" out to be anything other than, well...

re: Is being racist always wrong?

Posted by miamiman55 on 4/27/14 at 10:06 am to
Of course a simple soul would not understand why I would include the academic citation when referencing a wiki quote. :rolleyes:
"Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, in the 17th century, people began to use the term to relate to observable physical traits. Such use promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century, the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[1][2][3]"
:lol:

Yes, humans practices evolve, good "point". The question concerns the role of race in colonization; to this question, racial taxonomy and natural groups were incorporated in light of European colonization and played a major motivating factor. I direct you to a quote from the P.M. of France, which you apparently dismissed for reasons unbeknownst to me.

Racial taxonomy did not exist in any legitimized sense of discriminating "value" prior to the enlightenment. If you didn't know that prior, or don't believe me off hand given my B.A. in philosophy and political science, I will differ to your ability to use Google. Your inability to stay on topic simply further cloud others in ignorance.

Have a good day.
Racial taxonomy and hierarchy since antiquity?

This conversation is going nowhere...
Massive efforts of assimilation and indoctrination, historically unparalleled in terms of intention,and the documented invention of race with which it coincided,were taken to keep up appearances I suppose?

Gentlemen, we must speak more loudly and more honestly! We must say openly that indeed the higher races have a right over the lower races ….

I repeat, that the superior races have a right because they have a duty. They have the duty to civilize the inferior races ….

In the history of earlier centuries these duties, gentlemen, have often been misunderstood; and certainly when the Spanish soldiers and explorers introduced slavery into Central America, they did not fulfill their duty as men of a higher race …. But, in our time, I maintain that European nations acquit themselves with generosity, with grandeur, and with sincerity of this superior civilizing duty.
--Jules Ferrey, twice Prime Minister of France

There is so much much more on the subject, and I assure you that in the name of jurisprudence "race" was invented to impart upon the colonizers the right to expand. It wasn't the only matter of why they were there, but rather what right they had to be there. Our right to the form this country was justified on white supremacy. I can't even begin to understand how this is being debated by lazy generalizations of a sort of quasi-materialism.
The unfettered expansion of protected groups is certainly going to reach climax in the near future.

re: Is being racist always wrong?

Posted by miamiman55 on 4/26/14 at 7:07 pm to
Essentially, traditional expansion and imperialism was a matter of conquering other civilizations.

Colonialism is different is the sense in which it was approached. The idea was not to impose upon other civilizations, but rather to impose upon nature itself, for the better of civilization. The idea of the New World, this vast sprawl of "unclaimed" land free to their finder. Of course unclaimed in the sense that, according literally any account of the time, the natives were simply lost souls, incapable of self-governance. Our specific notion of race came into existence as a way of classifying these new people.

Colonization was, quite literally by definition, to bring civilization to the voids of the world, and justifying their characterization as voids was a matter of dismissing the natives on the basis of race. As you can see from the link:

The European concept of "race," along with many of the ideas now associated with the term, arose at the time of the scientific revolution, which introduced and privileged the study of natural kinds, and the age of European imperialism and colonization which established political relations between Europeans and peoples with distinct cultural and political traditions.

Cannot get much closer in relation than being conceptually born from the practice of colonization.

LINK

Factually, as documented, our "right" to create this colony turned country was founded in the creation of the term race, and white's superiority within the concept.
and here I thought you might want to discuss Locke or Montesquieu, and all you have to show is that you don't understand the difference between expansion and colonization.

You might want to quit...
Of course the concept of colonization is intimately inseparable from race relations, per every fricking enlightenment political philosopher/aristocrat who broached the topic. :rolleyes:

But who is trying to be an arse...

re: Is being racist always wrong?

Posted by miamiman55 on 4/26/14 at 10:23 am to
Racism relates to causal arguments and categorizations based on superficial qualities.

Black skin represents, by extension, genetic qualities X,Y, and Z. When in fact there is as much variation in combination of X,Y, and Z within this pigmentation as there is on a scale including all peoples.

They are broad characterizations morons make in order to digest an otherwise complex system of genetics.

This is not to deny genetic variations, but rather to suggest you can't extrapolate anything meaningful from them based on such simple matters. Believe it or not,for example, there is an incredible degree of variation within the group many so intelligently classify as "squinted eyes".
I think my favorite part were those fans. That whole row backed up awful quick...

re: Toothpick :)

Posted by miamiman55 on 7/28/09 at 8:05 pm to
Ghazi you're such a tool it is beyond words...
You;re by far and away the least productive member of the poli board, and flame on a daily basis.