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re: Is anyone else worried that the chart for the 10-yr treasury yield is curving upwards?

Posted on 9/21/22 at 4:39 pm to
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18408 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 4:39 pm to
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You are going to save mucho dinero compared to the people taking out mortgages now. 10’s of thousands in interest over the life of the loan. On a small loan. You take that money and invest it yourself and make more mucho dinero.


I mean, I get the idea. But my wages aren’t exactly going up, so I’m still stuck with the same amount. Right?
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32250 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 4:43 pm to
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What incredible times we are living in. Those of us with mortgages in the 2s are going to reap the financial benefits for generations.
What does it mean if you have no debt?
Posted by BaldEagleHey
Member since May 2020
451 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 4:47 pm to
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What does it mean if you have no debt?


Invest in Treasuries and earn the higher interest rates. We the taxpayers are paying you.
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
2755 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 4:52 pm to
You are right I meant the Federal reserve.
Posted by Tigertittie
Member since Sep 2021
349 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 4:54 pm to
What about the Federal Reserve?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123921 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 5:01 pm to
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Is anyone else worried that the chart for the 10-yr treasury yield is curving upwards?
Personally, I'd love 10-yrs to cross 5%. I'd go at least 40%-50% treasuries at that point.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39314 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:16 pm to
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We have Treasury yielding 4.1%. If it hits 5, investors will move money out of the market and into safer T-bills.

Obviously if too much money heads that way (demand) and the supply stays the same, the interest rate (price) will go down. Equilibrium will be reached.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:23 pm to
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Anyone who has a variable rate loan right now is an idiot and must have known that at some point rates would rise from historic lows.
This is reductive and not necessarily true - especially not if you can afford to retire your mortgage at any time. The last refi I did was a 10-year IO ARM at 2.75% 30 year fixed was 4%+ at that time. I will save hundreds of thousands of dollars in the first 10 years for taking this option. And when 10 years comes, I can refi if rates are low or else just pay it down.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10829 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:33 pm to
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Simply put, the higher the yield, the higher borrowing costs on debt, such as consumer loans and mortgages.
not to mention the $30 trillion in fedgov debt which will cost more to service. BTW 30 trillion dollars bills stacked on top of each other would reach the moon and back 5 times
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111524 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:39 pm to
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I remember 7+% treasuries, and double digit inflation. We all survived.


Awesome. I’m glad you survived. That’s very helpful for our economy.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12629 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:42 pm to
I’ve been worried since the yield inversion being as wide as it is. This is just the fly on the shite sandwich.
Posted by lazlodawg
Member since Sep 2017
479 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:56 pm to
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Obviously if too much money heads that way (demand) and the supply stays the same, the interest rate (price) will go down. Equilibrium will be reached.



I might be misinterpreting what you are saying here, so this is for clarification only. Are you suggesting that if demand increases and supply is constant, then prices will decrease? Cuz that's not how shite works.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10829 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:17 pm to
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Much better to quell inflation than to worry about rising interest rates. Inflation is a regressive tax that attacks the lower income and fixed income individuals the most.


1. There is no inflation
2. Inflation is transitory
3. Ok there's inflation but soft landing
4. there isn't a painless way to get inflation
behind us. <--- you are here

Does no one ever get sick of the lies?
Posted by boomtown143
Merica
Member since May 2019
6701 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:27 pm to
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What incredible times we are living in. Those of us with mortgages in the 2s are going to reap the financial benefits for generations.


Think so? The value of your house is about to drop A LOT
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57249 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:33 pm to
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Simply put, the higher the yield, the higher borrowing costs on debt, such as consumer loans and mortgages.

In just a free years debt interest, social security, and medicaid will be 100% of tax revenue. All other spending will have to be borrowed. We’re f*cked.

We are either going to default outright, or more likely, default by inflation. Get ready to tip with $100s.
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
1888 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:59 pm to
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Explain this to me as if I were someone who wandered around gas stations in a hoodie in August


Shoot, cuz, they be wanting five dollars for that orange soda up in there and that girl at the register catching an altitude wit me.
Posted by Lickitty Split
Inside
Member since Apr 2017
3911 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:00 pm to
It won’t drop a lot from when he bought it or refinanced it over a year ago. Only the people who purchased over the last 8-12 months really need to worry about price deterioration, and even then they have such a low rate that it would be detrimental to move because it would cost more for less house.

So in essence there will be some depreciation in the overheated markets and to a lesser degree across most markets. The long term growth of the housing market was hurt by the easy monetary policy. Instead people will rent.

I’m glad I’m a have and not a have not.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32250 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:07 pm to
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Ain't happening. JFK was murdered when he attempted to.

But Nixon wasn't?
Posted by MorningWood
On the coast of North Mexico
Member since May 2009
2669 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:39 pm to
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Those of us with mortgages in the 2s are going to reap the financial benefits for generations.


Not really because your house will be worth half of what it is now because no one will be able to afford the interest rates to buy it. If you will stay in that house the rest of your life then yes but if you will need to upgrade in the next few years, your screwed.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
4753 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 11:46 pm to
I don't understand it, but it gives me something else to worry about.

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