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re: Is Andrew Yang for Real?

Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:37 am to
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:37 am to
Dude is incredibly smart and good with numbers. His biggest flaw is he can't think past the numbers. People are not robots and are irrational. This is why average joe day trader loses in the long run. Behavioral economics is interesting and still in its infancy. Some people in this scenario would still work because they enjoy their job. Many hourly workers would quit their job, then go broke once the markets adjust. There would be a huge ripple effect and not in a positive way. Sure it might work in an extreme long term scenario, but so would a purge of the elderly and disabled.

However, it is a great thought experiment and should be discussed in robot ethics class.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 9:38 am
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13947 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:44 am to
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tech giants that are automating away millions of jobs.



this idea that all jobs will suddenly be gone because of computers is so stupid. If everything is robotic we are going to need a shite load of people who can service/build robots.

Same stupid argument was made when calculators were invented. There used to be entire armies of people who sat around doing manual calculations and they all lost their jobs immediately when calculators advanced. Did society crumble without a UBI?

I bet you also think the patent office can close because we’ve already invented everything.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
84096 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:45 am to
The more fundamental question is the human NEED to be productive. It's simply not something that can be replaced with a check as it fulfills a very primary psychological role in the lives of the vast majority of men. It also is an indispensable tool (like family) for creating a sense of meaning and teaching virtue. Labor is essential to who we are as men.
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5346 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:46 am to
I am a conservative and against his policy of
Ubi. But I like his specificity. We could do a lot worse. I will vote for orange man, but of all the dems this guy is at least about solutions and numbers and not a race monger.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
55425 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:47 am to
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I'm shocked this dude hasn't embraced something common sense when it comes to taxes, like the National Retail Sales Tax.



A national sales tax (passed only as a replacement for the income tax) would be the best way to go.

It too would never pass because of the human aspect. The accounting lobby has lots of stroke in Congress, taking away the income tax quagmire would neuter them.

There's also the aspect that it would be a new idea and new ideas can be scary. Politicians love scary things to frighten people into voting for them so just to push a national sales tax in lieu of income taxes would be as big a circus as the Kavanaugh nomination.

Finally, it would necessitate that members of Congress be more knowledgeable of economics and focus less on the class warfare of identity politics. We have politicians that are "terrified" by their garbage disposal or think that an island can "tip over", wanting them to be able to at least understand economics might be a herculean task of itself.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60601 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:47 am to
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Use the money from taxing companies like Amazon to give every American adult a guaranteed monthly $1,000 check


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position himself as the clear-thinking candidate
Nope. See above.

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UBI, has been rebranded by Yang as the “freedom dividend.” (“Who can be against the ‘freedom dividend?’” Yang has joked. “What kind of an a-hole do you have to be?”)
The kind that understands basic economics?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
70210 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:01 am to
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A national sales tax (passed only as a replacement for the income tax) would be the best way to go.


Even without Congress' consent, it could be done with a Convention of States. Strike the 16th amendment, and implement the NRST in place of the income tax. When the experts who wrote it called it the biggest transfer of power since the Declaration of Independence, they weren't kidding.

ETA - Congressional term limits could be done the same way, ditto for repeal of the 17th Amendment to revoke popular election of Senators.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 10:02 am
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12737 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:07 am to
Are all democrats dumb when it comes to how businesses work ? Or are they trying to destroy this country. Yang is just going to cause the price of everything to go up and let more criminals run free. This is not going to help very many of us .

We could close the board with law changes and stop all benefits illegals get and use the money we save to give everyone in this country a monthly income .
Posted by TigerRad
Columbia, SC
Member since Jan 2007
5357 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:11 am to
Just as a clarification, he’s not proposing doing away with any welfare programs.

If your monthly benefit is already more than $1000, you would have the option to keep all the welfare and therefore not receive the ubi. The rolls would therefore shrink as people getting less than a $1000 benefit would obviously opt out in favor of the ubi.

This avoids all the political fights associated with cutting any specific ones of the 800ish social welfare programs. Instead, they can just die on the vine from disuse.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
22946 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:16 am to
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Could that bottom pic be anymore fake Different shades of blue with the pants and coat Stylish



Technically...

That is a blue blazer and grey pants.


Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:48 am to
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This is not socialism. We will guaranteed have a UBI within the next 50 years.





You're an idiot, UBI is definitely socialism, it's basically as socialist as you can get. Also, no we will not, there is no way that a UBI ever gets passed in America, there is no way Americans let that happen.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53137 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:54 am to
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What are you blabbering about? He knows corporate governance he comes from that background being an entrepreneur.


That is even more embarrassing for him, then. Specifically, he said that the “Freedom dividend” is the same thing as a corporate dividend. That cannot be more wrong. If a corporation had the United States financials and issued a dividend, not only would it be an illegal distribution, but the board of directors would face personal liability for it. That is basics of corporate governance. Embarrassing Yang thinks that.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
96652 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:31 am to
Yang is an interesting guy. He thinks outside the box on some issues but some of his ideas are crazy.

1,000 dollars a month UBI would cause a massive employment issue for companies needing minimum wage workers. No incentive to get a shitty job if the Govt pays you to stay home.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34979 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:31 am to
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Is Andrew Yang for Real?
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give every American adult a guaranteed monthly $1,000 check


Nope.

No way in hell an Asian is that bad at math.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
14268 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:33 am to
Lmao. The last picture is in Columbia SC because thats a friend of mine by his patrol car.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:18 pm to
Labor is essential, Yang's point is that much of what you and we consider labor can be automated and will be automated in the future. Machines/Computers need electrical energy to function and derive that from many sources created by man. Man needs food for energy to exist and much of that can and will be automated... Everything is slowly becoming integrated electronically and a lot of machines can adapt to their environment. If we eventually build something that is self aware, can utilize longterm memory, with immediate processing, bridge the gap and has the processing capabilities as humans or close if it is plugged into the grid then we are totally screwed. We will have to destroy them guerilla style and revert back to an agrarian civilization. Dude is a futurist and I love to think about things like this. I'm all for importing finite natural resources because i think of a reality where those resources are used up abroad and we are hoarding them. It will make us even more powerful than today... granted that is 200+ years from now but we as a society are going to have to evolve quickly in the very near future. Population growth is going to put a huge strain on food resources. urban farming is going to have to grow equally as rapid.

regardless we don't need a futurist running the country. Let the markets evolve and have the govt provide infrastructure only where needed.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted by Zanzibaw
BR
Member since Jun 2016
2953 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:55 pm to
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Is Andrew Yang for Real?


As in is he serious? Yeah I think he is.

As in is does he have a legit change to run and win? No, not at all.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:00 pm to
Now this is quality shilling. I'll put a note in your performance review.
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