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re: Is Andrew Yang for Real?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:37 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:37 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Dude is incredibly smart and good with numbers. His biggest flaw is he can't think past the numbers. People are not robots and are irrational. This is why average joe day trader loses in the long run. Behavioral economics is interesting and still in its infancy. Some people in this scenario would still work because they enjoy their job. Many hourly workers would quit their job, then go broke once the markets adjust. There would be a huge ripple effect and not in a positive way. Sure it might work in an extreme long term scenario, but so would a purge of the elderly and disabled.
However, it is a great thought experiment and should be discussed in robot ethics class.
However, it is a great thought experiment and should be discussed in robot ethics class.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 9:38 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:44 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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tech giants that are automating away millions of jobs.

Same stupid argument was made when calculators were invented. There used to be entire armies of people who sat around doing manual calculations and they all lost their jobs immediately when calculators advanced. Did society crumble without a UBI?
I bet you also think the patent office can close because we’ve already invented everything.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:45 am to yatesdog38
The more fundamental question is the human NEED to be productive. It's simply not something that can be replaced with a check as it fulfills a very primary psychological role in the lives of the vast majority of men. It also is an indispensable tool (like family) for creating a sense of meaning and teaching virtue. Labor is essential to who we are as men.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:46 am to yatesdog38
I am a conservative and against his policy of
Ubi. But I like his specificity. We could do a lot worse. I will vote for orange man, but of all the dems this guy is at least about solutions and numbers and not a race monger.
Ubi. But I like his specificity. We could do a lot worse. I will vote for orange man, but of all the dems this guy is at least about solutions and numbers and not a race monger.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:47 am to VoxDawg
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I'm shocked this dude hasn't embraced something common sense when it comes to taxes, like the National Retail Sales Tax.
A national sales tax (passed only as a replacement for the income tax) would be the best way to go.
It too would never pass because of the human aspect. The accounting lobby has lots of stroke in Congress, taking away the income tax quagmire would neuter them.
There's also the aspect that it would be a new idea and new ideas can be scary. Politicians love scary things to frighten people into voting for them so just to push a national sales tax in lieu of income taxes would be as big a circus as the Kavanaugh nomination.
Finally, it would necessitate that members of Congress be more knowledgeable of economics and focus less on the class warfare of identity politics. We have politicians that are "terrified" by their garbage disposal or think that an island can "tip over", wanting them to be able to at least understand economics might be a herculean task of itself.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:47 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Use the money from taxing companies like Amazon to give every American adult a guaranteed monthly $1,000 check
quote:Nope. See above.
position himself as the clear-thinking candidate
quote:The kind that understands basic economics?
UBI, has been rebranded by Yang as the “freedom dividend.” (“Who can be against the ‘freedom dividend?’” Yang has joked. “What kind of an a-hole do you have to be?”)

Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:01 am to Bard
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A national sales tax (passed only as a replacement for the income tax) would be the best way to go.
Even without Congress' consent, it could be done with a Convention of States. Strike the 16th amendment, and implement the NRST in place of the income tax. When the experts who wrote it called it the biggest transfer of power since the Declaration of Independence, they weren't kidding.
ETA - Congressional term limits could be done the same way, ditto for repeal of the 17th Amendment to revoke popular election of Senators.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:07 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Are all democrats dumb when it comes to how businesses work ? Or are they trying to destroy this country. Yang is just going to cause the price of everything to go up and let more criminals run free. This is not going to help very many of us .
We could close the board with law changes and stop all benefits illegals get and use the money we save to give everyone in this country a monthly income .
We could close the board with law changes and stop all benefits illegals get and use the money we save to give everyone in this country a monthly income .
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:11 am to Bard
Just as a clarification, he’s not proposing doing away with any welfare programs.
If your monthly benefit is already more than $1000, you would have the option to keep all the welfare and therefore not receive the ubi. The rolls would therefore shrink as people getting less than a $1000 benefit would obviously opt out in favor of the ubi.
This avoids all the political fights associated with cutting any specific ones of the 800ish social welfare programs. Instead, they can just die on the vine from disuse.
If your monthly benefit is already more than $1000, you would have the option to keep all the welfare and therefore not receive the ubi. The rolls would therefore shrink as people getting less than a $1000 benefit would obviously opt out in favor of the ubi.
This avoids all the political fights associated with cutting any specific ones of the 800ish social welfare programs. Instead, they can just die on the vine from disuse.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:16 am to SDVTiger
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Could that bottom pic be anymore fake Different shades of blue with the pants and coat Stylish
Technically...
That is a blue blazer and grey pants.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:48 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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This is not socialism. We will guaranteed have a UBI within the next 50 years.
You're an idiot, UBI is definitely socialism, it's basically as socialist as you can get. Also, no we will not, there is no way that a UBI ever gets passed in America, there is no way Americans let that happen.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:54 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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What are you blabbering about? He knows corporate governance he comes from that background being an entrepreneur.
That is even more embarrassing for him, then. Specifically, he said that the “Freedom dividend” is the same thing as a corporate dividend. That cannot be more wrong. If a corporation had the United States financials and issued a dividend, not only would it be an illegal distribution, but the board of directors would face personal liability for it. That is basics of corporate governance. Embarrassing Yang thinks that.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:31 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Yang is an interesting guy. He thinks outside the box on some issues but some of his ideas are crazy.
1,000 dollars a month UBI would cause a massive employment issue for companies needing minimum wage workers. No incentive to get a shitty job if the Govt pays you to stay home.
1,000 dollars a month UBI would cause a massive employment issue for companies needing minimum wage workers. No incentive to get a shitty job if the Govt pays you to stay home.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:31 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Is Andrew Yang for Real?
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give every American adult a guaranteed monthly $1,000 check
Nope.
No way in hell an Asian is that bad at math.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:33 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Lmao. The last picture is in Columbia SC because thats a friend of mine by his patrol car.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:18 pm to Lsupimp
Labor is essential, Yang's point is that much of what you and we consider labor can be automated and will be automated in the future. Machines/Computers need electrical energy to function and derive that from many sources created by man. Man needs food for energy to exist and much of that can and will be automated... Everything is slowly becoming integrated electronically and a lot of machines can adapt to their environment. If we eventually build something that is self aware, can utilize longterm memory, with immediate processing, bridge the gap and has the processing capabilities as humans or close if it is plugged into the grid then we are totally screwed. We will have to destroy them guerilla style and revert back to an agrarian civilization. Dude is a futurist and I love to think about things like this. I'm all for importing finite natural resources because i think of a reality where those resources are used up abroad and we are hoarding them. It will make us even more powerful than today... granted that is 200+ years from now but we as a society are going to have to evolve quickly in the very near future. Population growth is going to put a huge strain on food resources. urban farming is going to have to grow equally as rapid.
regardless we don't need a futurist running the country. Let the markets evolve and have the govt provide infrastructure only where needed.
regardless we don't need a futurist running the country. Let the markets evolve and have the govt provide infrastructure only where needed.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:55 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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Is Andrew Yang for Real?
As in is he serious? Yeah I think he is.
As in is does he have a legit change to run and win? No, not at all.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:00 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Now this is quality shilling. I'll put a note in your performance review.
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