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re: Iowa man sentenced to 16 YEARS for burning a flag. A FLAG

Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:20 am to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:20 am to
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The dude burned a ten dollar flag!


He also ate that day, which is just as relevant.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:36 am to
Yeah I believe it's an easy assumption to make that the fella was tagged for max penalties on everything, no deals to be had with the DA.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and opine that had all facts and circumstances been exactly the same EXCEPT substitute in say a MAGA flag instead of pride flag.....not near the concern. Not even close.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:39 am to
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had all facts and circumstances been exactly the same EXCEPT substitute in say a MAGA flag instead of pride flag

Heck, it would have ended at "Freedom of Speech".

"Well, he's just so outraged by the events around him that he had to act out. He promised not to do it again. Also, the court has donated to his gofundme account, and we suggest that the 'victim' do the same."
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:54 am to
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Please reference each post (by Username and Time) that YOU think constitutes a defense of the length of this sentence.

PREDICTION. You will point to a post or poster who tried to explain the difference between (1) burning an owned flag in a perfectly-legal protest and (2) violating the rights of another person by destroying that person’s property.
My prediction was wrong. Apparently, you lack even the balls to attempt to defend your ridiculous assertion.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:57 am to
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Looks like guy's sentence was enhanced under habitual offender law. Two prior felony convictions I believe one of the articles said.
He was the recipient of three different enhancements in the sentencing process.

Recidivism enhancement.

Hate crime enhancement.

Acting like an a-hole in court enhancement.

Yep, he ended up under the jail house.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
28496 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:08 am to
Hopefully, he gets pardoned after the 1st year and the alphabet cult will lose their collective minds.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:14 am to
True, forgot about the hate crime enhancement. That would have been in connection with one of the underlying charges, I believe the arson was the offense enhanced with hate crime status.

Not sure about Iowa, but in Louisiana the sentence in the underlying conviction used to habitualize must be vacated once the separate habitual offender sentence is handed down. In other words, I'm not sure if it's possible to use hate crime enhancement and habitual offender enhancement at the same time.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:21 am to
We know the "why" of it

It's still a completely immoral sentence and, the prosecutor who pushed for it is the biggest criminal in this story for doing so.
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