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Interstate highways are racist but high speed rails aren't?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:45 pm
So the left wants to tear down sections of interstate highways like the 610/I-10 because they allow people to commute at relatively high speeds, bypassing the "community" beneath them, because "racism"...
... And they want to build high speed rails that allow people to commute at high speeds bypassing the community beneath them?
... And they want to build high speed rails that allow people to commute at high speeds bypassing the community beneath them?
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 2:27 am to Smeg
I think the debate about the 610 is that when it was build it split treme in two destroying a black community, not so much about bypassing neighborhoods or anything. After the news broke that Biden wanted to tear down 610 I looked up some of the history about when it was build, and there was clearly racism involved. It was the 60's. However, to retroactively tear it down now would be stupid. Treme isn't ever going to be what it was pre 610 no matter what you do to it.
High speed rail on the other hand is exactly what this country needs to alleviate all the congestion on the interstates. European and Asian countries seem to have figured this out by now, but us here on the other hemisphere seem to have not.
High speed rail on the other hand is exactly what this country needs to alleviate all the congestion on the interstates. European and Asian countries seem to have figured this out by now, but us here on the other hemisphere seem to have not.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:12 am to lsunatchamp
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High speed rail on the other hand is exactly what this country needs to alleviate all the congestion on the interstates. European and Asian countries seem to have figured this out by now, but us here on the other hemisphere seem to have not.
might have something to do with Europe is 1000 miles east to west. the entire continent
high speed in the northeast US makes sense. but not the rest of the country. I am sure one day maybe so, but not now. amd certainly not worth billions right now
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:18 am to Smeg
The Interstate Highway System, and other highways, had some negative impacts on neighborhoods. It's undeniable.
They question is, what does tearing them down accomplish?
The Left fetishizes punishment, and they don't care about the impacts. They are on a religious crusade, so anything that has objections from a Republican is righteous.
They question is, what does tearing them down accomplish?
The Left fetishizes punishment, and they don't care about the impacts. They are on a religious crusade, so anything that has objections from a Republican is righteous.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:26 am to ksayetiger
It would totally makes sense to have a high speed rail line going from Houston to Mobile with stops in Lake Charles, Lafayette, BR, Nola, and Gulfport/Biloxi. It only takes those trains 4-5 min to get up to about 200 mph...at least the ones in Japan. Plenty of other opportunities like that all around the country. Line would pay for itself in 5-10 years. You could even extend it as far as Austin and Jacksonville if you're feeling dangerous
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:29 am to lsunatchamp
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pay for itself in 5-10 years
do you know the annual upkeep cost?
might want to research that.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:33 am to lsunatchamp
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Line would pay for itself in 5-10 years.
That is a massive assumption.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:34 am to Smeg
Maybe they can once again import slave labor to build the new rail system. Historically it works.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:37 am to ksayetiger
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:15 am to lsunatchamp
Your link does not support your assertions. Just one example:
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While the benefits of HSR are promoted with great enthusiasm, many projects experience significant problems down the line. Today, HSR carves a network across Europe – but only the line connecting Paris and Lyon sees a profit and its margins are being increasingly squeezed by competition from low-cost airlines.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:54 am to lagallifrey
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Within one decade, the line generated enough income to cover its development and running costs. More than 5.6 billion passengers have safely travelled the line at speeds that reach 320 km/h, and it has saved them an estimated 400 million hours in travel a year.
Or you could take this quote and confirm my assertions. It doesn't work everywhere obviously. I just think there are places within the US where it can work
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 5:56 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:59 am to lsunatchamp
Right. That line in Japan worked. But the article then goes on to detail how the economics do not work out in other countries, including in Europe that is cited as an example of success. It also mentions how it hasn’t worked when tried in California. So your assertion that it will “pay for itself in 5-10 years” is not based on evidence. It’s wishful thinking.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:07 am to lagallifrey
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hasn’t worked when tried in California
The line is still under construction, it is just taking a lot more money than they initially thought it would take to build it. Time will tell. The rail systems in Europe are way less efficient than the ones in Japan also. Japan is pretty much the golden standard when it comes to high speed rail networks.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:08 am to lsunatchamp
Any interstate built involves a destruction of something that currently exists, whether its a neighborhood or farms or forests.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:29 am to lsunatchamp
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It only takes those trains 4-5 min to get up to about 200 mph
takes an aircraft less than that to get up to 600 mph
and you can have smaller packets of people leaving at a wider variety of times
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:34 am to lsunatchamp
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High speed rail on the other hand is exactly what this country needs to alleviate all the congestion on the interstates. European and Asian countries seem to have figured this out by now, but us here on the other hemisphere seem to have not.
The problem in many cities is getting around once you get off the high speed rail. Maybe not so much in places with subways and copious amounts of taxis.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:35 am to lsunatchamp
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It would totally makes sense to have a high speed rail line going from Houston to Mobile with stops in Lake Charles, Lafayette, BR, Nola, and Gulfport/Bilox
Is there unmet demand for travel from Houston to Mobile is spots in between?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:35 am to lsunatchamp
Look up AmTrac and get back to me on that payoff...
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:38 am to lsunatchamp
Oh so its repeated delays and massively ballooning costs are part of the 5-10 year profit plan?
Also, I like how
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Also, I like how
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High speed rail on the other hand is exactly what this country needs to alleviate all the congestion on the interstates. European and Asian countries seem to have figured this out by now, but us here on the other hemisphere seem to have not.
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The rail systems in Europe are way less efficient than the ones in Japan also. Japan is pretty much the golden standard when it comes to high speed rail networks.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:50 am to lsunatchamp
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High speed rail on the other hand is exactly what this country needs to alleviate all the congestion on the interstates.
I travel interstates every day for work. There is no congestion outside of cities. High speed rail isn't going to eliminate the congestion within cities when the majority of traffic is from those cities' residents.
You also can't compare the US to other countries. No other country has the number of cars per capita as the US. High speed rail does not fit with our culture. If it did, it would have already been done. HSR is not new technology. It's simply not profitable here.
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