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re: Interesting how "Evangelicals" are separating themselves from "Protestants".
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:09 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:09 pm to GumboPot
Baptists have never claimed to be protestants. Going back to at least the seventies. There was always a distinction, at least on the part of the Baptists.
So I cal BS.
So I cal BS.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:26 pm to John somers
quote:Does this sound familiar?
Baptists have never claimed to be protestants. Going back to at least the seventies. There was always a distinction, at least on the part of the Baptists.
So I cal BS.
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Yes, Baptists are considered Protestant. They emerged from the Protestant Reformation in the 16th and 17th centuries, specifically from English Separatist movements. Baptists share core Protestant beliefs, such as salvation by faith alone and the authority of Scripture, but are distinct in their emphasis on believer's baptism by immersion and congregational church governance.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:31 pm to mudshuvl05
That's wonderful news. I have found myself drawn into Orthodoxy over the last few years. I don't have any parishes within an hour drive so I haven't been able to attend a Divine Liturgy yet, but I'm hopeful that changes soon with the way our area is growing. I'm 35 and can only speak for myself, but anecdotally it feels like the younger generations are craving for a return to the timelessness & tradition the more that our eyes are opened to the godlessness of much of the West.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:31 pm to somethingdifferent
Some things I’ve had happen to me are beyond my explanation. And I don’t know where to stand on some issues because of it.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:36 pm to somethingdifferent
These doctrines and practices that the RCC/EOC call "Sacred Tradition" are not "man-made tradition." We know that Protestants will never concede the point because of the Bible passage disparaging "man-made" tradition, so Protestants must "shoe-horn" Sacred Tradition into that Bible passage.
That's a very deceitful thing to do. It's Satan's way to distort Truth and then Accuse and Judge.
Here's why Sacred Tradition is handed down from God. The Apostles learned directly from Jesus, and He handed-down practices, teachings and commands. Jesus Christ is the Word of God. What He handed down directly to the Apostles is the Word of God. These practices, teachings and commands were absorbed by the Church years before any of the New Testament was written, and Centuries before it was assembled into an organized canon of books
. When the Early Church practiced what the Apostles handed-down directly from Jesus, they were following The Word of God.
Christ did not leave a book. He formed a Church and handed down to that Church His entire message. None of His message was in writing until years after he Ascended to Heaven.
The RCC/EOC define what Christ directly handed-down to the Apostles as Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition existed before the written Word of God existed. The written Word of God is a product of Sacred Tradition.
But, let's not deceive ourselves by thinking that the RCC/EOC are alone in this theological structure. The theological doctrines of the Jewish Faith include components that are not in the Bible/Old Testament. They are part of Jewish "Sacred Tradition" in that these doctrines were handed down, not in writing, but through preaching and practice.
It's important to keep in mind that the Jewish, the RCC and the EOC are in alignment on this.
Could we stop accusing, judging and ridiculing EOC and RCC doctrine around here please? We EOC/RCC folks have explained over and over and over what we consider to be The Word of God and Sacred Tradition. Our view is not "ridiculous", "laughable" or blasphemous or any of the other condemnations you Catholic-haters like to use.
Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and all that he handed down to the Apostles includes the Word of God.
The Apostles began writing the New Testament AFTER Christ finished his work on Earth and had handed down all that He wished to pass on. Then the Apostles founded the Church on Pentecost Day. Then they grew the Church. All this happened before there was a New Testament. THEN the Apostles and others assembled and wrote the New Testament as PART of what Christ handed down to the Apostles. So in that sense the New Testament itself is Sacred Tradition.
So could we please stop attacking the Catholic Church and calling it all of these names? Can we accept that the EO/RCC have good reasons to support the Doctrine of Sacred Tradition? Because it's doing Satan's Work to continue these daily attacks.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
That's a very deceitful thing to do. It's Satan's way to distort Truth and then Accuse and Judge.
Here's why Sacred Tradition is handed down from God. The Apostles learned directly from Jesus, and He handed-down practices, teachings and commands. Jesus Christ is the Word of God. What He handed down directly to the Apostles is the Word of God. These practices, teachings and commands were absorbed by the Church years before any of the New Testament was written, and Centuries before it was assembled into an organized canon of books
. When the Early Church practiced what the Apostles handed-down directly from Jesus, they were following The Word of God.
Christ did not leave a book. He formed a Church and handed down to that Church His entire message. None of His message was in writing until years after he Ascended to Heaven.
The RCC/EOC define what Christ directly handed-down to the Apostles as Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition existed before the written Word of God existed. The written Word of God is a product of Sacred Tradition.
But, let's not deceive ourselves by thinking that the RCC/EOC are alone in this theological structure. The theological doctrines of the Jewish Faith include components that are not in the Bible/Old Testament. They are part of Jewish "Sacred Tradition" in that these doctrines were handed down, not in writing, but through preaching and practice.
It's important to keep in mind that the Jewish, the RCC and the EOC are in alignment on this.
Could we stop accusing, judging and ridiculing EOC and RCC doctrine around here please? We EOC/RCC folks have explained over and over and over what we consider to be The Word of God and Sacred Tradition. Our view is not "ridiculous", "laughable" or blasphemous or any of the other condemnations you Catholic-haters like to use.
Jesus Christ is the Word of God, and all that he handed down to the Apostles includes the Word of God.
The Apostles began writing the New Testament AFTER Christ finished his work on Earth and had handed down all that He wished to pass on. Then the Apostles founded the Church on Pentecost Day. Then they grew the Church. All this happened before there was a New Testament. THEN the Apostles and others assembled and wrote the New Testament as PART of what Christ handed down to the Apostles. So in that sense the New Testament itself is Sacred Tradition.
So could we please stop attacking the Catholic Church and calling it all of these names? Can we accept that the EO/RCC have good reasons to support the Doctrine of Sacred Tradition? Because it's doing Satan's Work to continue these daily attacks.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:44 pm to GumboPot
The Catholic Church (AD 33) - Founder Jesus the Christ
The number of baptized Catholics in the world today numbers approximately 1.406 billion.
Rome Sweet Home.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever - Hebrews 13:8
The number of baptized Catholics in the world today numbers approximately 1.406 billion.
Rome Sweet Home.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever - Hebrews 13:8
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:50 pm to Champagne
quote:Where did the Apostles address the priests sexually abusing children? Was that handed down or was that
Here's why Sacred Tradition is handed down from God. The Apostles learned directly from Jesus, and He handed-down practices, teachings and commands. Jesus Christ is the Word of God. What He handed down directly to the Apostles is the Word of God
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That's a very deceitful thing to do. It's Satan's way to distort Truth and then Accuse and Judge.
The deceitful part was covering up and moving the priest to some other location so he could continue rather than the church hitting it head on. Sorry, nothing we do is even close to being as evil is that.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:51 pm to GeorgePaton
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The Catholic Church (AD 33) - Founder Jesus the Christ
Uh, nope.
THE Church, HIS church -- yes. Nothing "Catholic" about it.
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The number of baptized Catholics in the world today numbers approximately 1.406 billion.
You know what God the Father and Jesus Christ won't be asking us when we meet them? "BUT ARE YOU BAPTIZED?"
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Rome Sweet Home.
The Kingdom of God = "Home Sweet Home"; not man's stone and mortar cathedrals.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 4:52 pm to GumboPot
Both suck.
Signed Church of Peter.
Signed Church of Peter.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:01 pm to somethingdifferent
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So you're ok saying that "Tradition" (in a highly institutional sense) is equal to scripture itself? It's a completely farcical notion and ends up being straight up heretical in praxis
If a teaching of Jesus is not in the Gospels, would it have the same authority as Scripture?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:04 pm to Champagne
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The Apostles learned directly from Jesus, and He handed-down practices, teachings and commands. Jesus Christ is the Word of God. What He handed down directly to the Apostles is the Word of God. These practices, teachings and commands were absorbed by the Church years before any of the New Testament was written, and Centuries before it was assembled into an organized canon of books
This much is mostly true.
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Christ did not leave a book.
He certainly did. It was transcribed via the Holy Spirit to chosen man -- the Prophets, Apostles and early Disciples, comprising the text of both the Old and New Testament.
That said, let's cease and desist from mis-characterizations of non-Catholic Christians who believe the Bible is the Word of God and only Jesus is Divine. We believe it alone is His instruction manual to be shared on faith, encouragement, living and enduring until we enter His Kingdom.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:07 pm to EphesianArmor
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He certainly did. It was transcribed via the Holy Spirit to chosen man -- the Prophets, Apostles and early Disciples, comprising the text of both the Old and New Testament.
By transcribed, do you mean dictated?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:21 pm to GumboPot
A remnant of Christ’s Church will always remain. The Reformed Protestants will continue on.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:24 pm to EphesianArmor
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You know what God the Father and Jesus Christ won't be asking us when we meet them? "BUT ARE YOU BAPTIZED?"
Oof
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:36 pm to gaetti15
Do you guys believe St. Peter is actually screening at the Pearly Gates entrance with a "Who's-Been-Baptized" registration chart?

Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:38 pm to LockDown
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By transcribed, do you mean dictated?
I mean "led by the Holy Spirit."
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:40 pm to EphesianArmor
Why would he have to ask?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 5:52 pm to LockDown
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If a teaching of Jesus is not in the Gospels, would it have the same authority as Scripture?
Everything Jesus uttered was divine. Though we can be sure not every bit of wisdom or instruction was recorded -- unless He and our Father wanted them recorded.
Quite a bit of His instruction and wisdom was conferred and dispersed throughout the Old Testament and by His Apostles in the NT.
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