re: Interesting how "Evangelicals" are separating themselves from "Protestants".

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Without trying to sound flippant,

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Never. You’re better than that.

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As you know I find nothing metaphorical or comparative in the Master’s words or actions. I believe they are declarative statements. How whatever happens through his words of institution happens I don’t know or try to fully comprehend.

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And I’m fully content to leave it there.

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Transubstantiation is defective and inadequate to encompass such a mystery and Rome’s dogmatic insistence on it (and other dogma) as though it (they) were creedal has done little toward unifying and has only further damaged and divided the Church.

By the same token, many Protestants refuse to give Roman Catholics room to breathe, pounding them on the corner ropes with body shot after body shot, often evidencing an unreasoning and unreasonable knee jerk hostility and refusing to try and understand what Roman Catholics do and do not believe.

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Amen, brother. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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I agree fully with you and our Prayer Book’s Holy Communion Service beautifully presents this truth and yet still provides me the ability to fully participate and fully worship without doing violence to our reformed Catholic distinctives or my conscience and High Church Anglican sensibilities.

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You’re Anglican? I had no idea. You’re the first I’ve ever spoken with. It’s been a pleasure.

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It would be unwieldy to quote extensively from the Holy Communion Service so I will post a link to it

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Quote away, because the link didn’t work for me.

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Contrary to your blanket statement that Roman Catholics had no Biblical or Apostolic authority for any of their traditions, ordinances, or practices

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They don't. Yet again

There is NO direct command from Jesus or the Apostles to observe any of the Catholic distinctives

The reference to teaching outside the Bible has been covered. That teaching points back to Jesus, specifically the gospel.

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Head covering for women in worship, though not exclusively Roman Catholic, most definitely had and continues to have scriptural and Apostolic authority

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That's a great example of something that is directly commanded in scripture. Catholics can't point to a single thing.

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Quoting Holy Scripture, St. Paul specifically, using his choice of terms for the practice of women covering their heads in worship is certainly not eisegesis

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The Catholic claim that Paul's reference to tradition and Jesus' reference to the teachings of the HS turning into modern Catholicism is most certainly eisegesis.

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women wearing head coverings is the practice of the Churches of Christ

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Even if this point were true, it doesn't help the Catholic case at all since Paul describes the practice specifically, which does not happen in scripture for Catholic things

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I understand what Rome contends biblically supports the dogma of the Magisterium

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Absolutely false. Show me the word magisterium in the Bible. Show me a quote from Jesus outside the Bible about the Magisterium

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Their high view of the Sacraments and liturgical worship

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Sacramentalism is unbiblical. See Matt 23:4

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a bunch of evangelical apologists

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Squirrel commiting the genetic fallacy??

NO FREAKING WAY

You are pathetic. You said "no modern scholars." I gave you modern scholars to prove you are wrong. Then instead of admitting you are wrong, you turn to the genetic fallacy because you are emotionally stunted.

Now go ahead and move the goalpost. Say they don't count because they are confessional.

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You got me

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Thank you for admitting you are wrong

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The viability determination is your opinion

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It is a fact. Jesus does not say that there is authority outside of the word of God that points to things outside the word of God. That is brute fact. Moreover, what the HS spirit teaches is the teachings of Jesus which were eventually recorded in scripture. That is not my assertion. I gave you quotes from the Bible saying so.

There is not one shred of evidence that Jesus said anything about pretty much all of the Catholic distinctives and practices

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provide the quote stating your assertion

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I have done so repeatedly at this point.

I will again turn this around on you. Provide ANY authoritative substantiation for ANYTHING Catholic. Any sacrament. The Magisterium. Sacred Tradition. Mariolatry. Saint veneration. ANYTHING. Anything other than "trust us, bro" from the Catholic leadership

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You answer a request for a quote with an explanation of opinion from an encyclopedia?

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Did you read the verses?

What is wrong with you?

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I reject any hint of the modalism line of thought

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Modalism in not in any of the passages I provided

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we continue to be taught the teachings of Christ by the Holy Spirit today?

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Scripture says that. However, the teachings are the things that were eventually recorded IN SCRIPTURE, not outside of it. I gave abundant scriptural support for that, there is no need for anything outside of it and there is no direct command from Jesus or the Apostles about anything like that.

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I provided a direct quotation of Christ stating that there were additional teachings to come from the Holy Spirit

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ABOUT JESUS. Not about Catholic things. I gave you verses to substantiate the point. You aren't even interacting with those verses, which seems very Catholic

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Your argument, as I understood it, was that those teachings were either (a.) not authoritative, or (b.) not differing from anything explicitly laid out in Scripture

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Show me the quote from Jesus/the Apostles outside of scripture and we can analyze it together.

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I asked, and continue to ask, for you to provide the clear text supporting either of these assertions

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And I gave you a laundry list of them. Why aren't you reading them?

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I'm afraid that you have misunderstood the Bible

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I QUOTED it. I didn't add anything or take anything away, unlike Catholics

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It is a fact. Jesus does not say that there is authority outside of the word of God that points to things outside the word of God. That is brute fact. Moreover, what the HS spirit teaches is the teachings of Jesus which were eventually recorded in scripture. That is not my assertion. I gave you quotes from the Bible saying so.

There is not one shred of evidence that Jesus said anything about pretty much all of the Catholic distinctives and practices

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Facts are not what you determine.

You gave quotes stating that the Holy Spirit only taught what is recorded in Scripture as stated by Christ? List those quotes for me stating this explicitly.

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I have done so repeatedly at this point.

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You haven't, which is why I continue to ask. You only continue to say that you have.

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Did you read the verses?

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Yes, and none state the assertion that you made. Again, this is why I keep asking.

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Scripture says that. However, the teachings are the things that were eventually recorded IN SCRIPTURE, not outside of it. I gave abundant scriptural support for that, there is no need for anything outside of it and there is no direct command from Jesus or the Apostles about anything like that.

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I gave you a direct quote from Christ in John's Gospel that teachings were to come from the Holy Spirit after the resurrection.

By copying an encyclopedia entry you quoted a good number of Scriptural references, but none that explicitly state what you are asserting. Throwing things against a wall in hopes of something sticking is not a strategy to reach the truth. Be precise.

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Show me the quote from Jesus/the Apostles outside of scripture and we can analyze it together.

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See my response above. You stated authority is only found in Scripture. I provided you the words of Christ stating teaching is to come from the Holy Spirit after the resurrection.

You have continued to assert that certain things - and you are fixated on Catholic teachings - are not in those teachings from the Holy Spirit.

I have asked, and continue to ask, for you to provide the Scriptural text stating authority is only to be found in Scripture. I want the text stating what the teachings referenced by Christ were, and what they were not. If you want to make bold claims, you have to provide proof.

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And I responded to this. Why would he need the elements? He wouldn't.

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Why does he use water to baptize?

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I do not make the statement. Scripture makes the statement

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You did make it in writing. Are you saying you quoted it from Scripture? Show me the statement in Holy Scripture you’re quoting.

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It's not a matter of interpretation because the Catholic viewpoint is not in scripture. That's what I've been asking for and it hasn't been provided

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The best I’m going to give you here is, in your opinion, based on your interpretation, no Catholic viewpoint is supported by Holy Scripture.

Yet, you read the same Scripture a Roman Catholic does, say affirming Jesus’s birth to a virgin in Bethlehem. Roman Catholic’s call that The Incarnation and its critical to the gospel of Jesus Christ and our salvation. They support the doctrine with Holy Scripture, both Old Testament and New-I’m thinking Luke chapter 2 for one example.

Do you say Roman Catholics have no Apostolic or Scriptural support for The Incarnation, God becoming Man. They read “And the word became flesh and dwelt among us…” and, in their interpretation, it supports The Incarnation. Is The Incarnation “a Catholic viewpoint not in scripture”? Do you believe what Holy Scripture teaches about Jesus’s birth or do you reject it because Roman Catholics believe it? If their interpretation is wrong, as it must be, because you have said none of their teachings are found in Holy Scripture, you should not accept the virgin birth or the Divinity of Jesus and reject The Incarnation entirely. Is that your position?

You write: “ That's what I've been asking for and it hasn't been provided.” It has been, and almost certainly by more than me.

You remind me of another contributor who poses questions and often refuses to consider the answers. They frequently pick snippets to quibble with and, perhaps unintentionally, are constantly squirting ink into the water that obfuscates and misdirects.

Best wishes and God’s peace.

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Your lie about Martin Luther’s addition of “alone”

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No I did not. I told you the concept is in scripture

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Let’s check it out.

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He added “alone” (in German of course) to Romans 3:28

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He didn't add anything. It's all over the NT

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Nope you’re still a liar. Just admit Luther added a word, appended the insured word of God, because he liked it better. Don’t recall his own explanation of his addition when he equated the Catholics with donkeys?

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just like trinity is in scripture.

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Yeah, a post-biblical philosophic framework agreed upon, under threat of violence, by the high ranking members of the church at the end of the 4th century… is in the scripture. NOT!!!

There is no trinity in the bible. Papias called Jesus the second god.

Eusebius quoted Matthew 28:19 as

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Go and make disciples of all nations in My name.

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So we know the one in our Bible including the Holy Spirit is a later interpolation.

Don’t bother quoting John where Jesus says he and the father are one. Don’t bother quoting John 1:1 either.

Don’t bother the later interpolation from the textus receptus about the three that bear witness in heaven. That’s a later scribal addition too that wasn’t original.

All debunked. They had nothing in scripture which is why they had to “figure it out” in Constantinople.

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Non-Catholic Christians are Protestant by definition.

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Except for Jehovah Witnesses and Mormon. Some consider them more of a cult. But, we don't claim them.

How do sola scriptura Protestants get past 1 Timothy 2:11-12 and Protestant female pastors:

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11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.

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