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Interesting article on the SCOTUS leak(s)

Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:36 am
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:36 am
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Among the debates generated by the leak of Justice Samuel Alito’s opinion in Dobbs is whether the leaker was conservative or liberal.


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Start from the premise that there were actually (at least) two leakers, and three leaks. The first leak was to the Wall Street Journal editorial board last week. In substance, it was that the court had voted to overrule Roe v. Wade, but that the precise outcome remains in doubt because Chief Justice John Roberts is trying to persuade either Justice Brett Kavanaugh or Justice Amy Coney Barrett to a more moderate position that would uphold the Mississippi abortion restriction without formally overturning Roe.

While not formally presented as relying on a leak, the editorial transparently does. The most obvious example is that it predicts that Alito is drafting a majority opinion to overrule Roe, but gives no explanation for that prediction and none is apparent. We now know that Alito did draft that opinion.

The second leak was to Politico. Likely within the past few days, a person familiar with the court’s deliberations told them that five members of the court – Alito, Kavanaugh, and Barrett, along with Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch – originally voted to overturn Roe and that remains the current vote. In addition, the position of the chief justice is unclear. The remaining justices are dissenting.

The third leak was also to Politico. It was presumably – but not certainly – by the same person. Someone provided them with Alito’s Feb. 10 draft opinion.


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It is also important to look at the leak of the opinion through the lens of the fact that someone – almost certainly a conservative – had just before leaked the court’s tentative decision and the state of the voting to The Wall Street Journal. That leak was itself an extraordinary and unethical breach of confidences and certainly caused very deep concern inside the court.

My guess is that someone on the left felt somewhat justified in releasing the opinion in response. Through the opinion, one would see what the Journal was saying Kavanaugh and Barrett were considering. That leak was a historically unprecedented violation of the deepest and most solemn trust among the justices and the court’s staff. It wounded the institution.


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I was unaware of the WSJ editorial until yesterday...making for a pretty interesting whodunit.



Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:38 am to
Yeah, conservatives leaked so they could have a bunch of idiots show up to their doorsteps to protest.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:40 am to
SCOTUS should release the Dobbs decision NOW, the longer they wait the greater the suspicion that whatever decision it ultimately is was tainted by the leak and its reaction
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12067 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:40 am to
Conservatives did it first!



We’re letting kindergarteners write articles now.
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 8:41 am
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:40 am to
The article speculates that the opinion was leaked by a liberal.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:41 am to
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Conservatives did it first!


How did the WSJ get the details on the state of voting?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:42 am to
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We’re letting kindergarteners write articles now.


It was funnier when it was "wrote".
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:43 am to
Its speculation either way.


Its more telling that they’re trying to provide cover for whoever leaked a draft opinion by pointing their fingers like a five year old saying “he hit me first”
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
4372 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:44 am to
The Left is panicking …..


“ The most powerful political office in the executive branch of government, the office of The President, is now endorsing the political, potentially violent, targeting of the justices within the most powerful office of the judicial branch of power, the justices of The Supreme Court of the United States.

Pause for a moment and let that settle in.

The President is now endorsing the targeting of Supreme Court justices. The Executive Branch is now publicly targeting the Judicial Branch.”

This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 8:45 am
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79098 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:44 am to
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but that the precise outcome remains in doubt because Chief Justice John Roberts is trying to persuade either Justice Brett Kavanaugh or Justice Amy Coney Barrett to a more moderate position that would uphold the Mississippi abortion restriction without formally overturning Roe


They sure are speaking in certainties when they can’t nail down a source. Pass.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:45 am to
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The President is now endorsing the targeting of Supreme Court justices. The Executive Branch is now publicly targeting the Judicial Branch.”

Sounds impeachable. Definitely worse than making a phone call or directing people to protest peacefully.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16731 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:50 am to
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It is also important to look at the leak of the opinion through the lens of the fact that someone – almost certainly a conservative – had just before leaked the court’s tentative decision and the state of the voting to The Wall Street Journal


This is bullshite. There is zero MO for a conservative to leak this.

In fact, conservatives are typically very principled when it comes to ethics and the institution. Conservatives are the last to undermine the institution.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118773 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:52 am to
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Its more telling that they’re trying to provide cover for whoever leaked a draft opinion by pointing their fingers like a five year old saying “he hit me first”



Exactly. It's muddying the water. It gives Justice Roberts plausible deniability to do nothing if the leaker is outed. It also cast blame on "both sides" if the leaker is never outed.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:53 am to
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Its more telling that they’re trying to provide cover for whoever leaked a draft opinion by pointing their fingers like a five year old saying “he hit me first”


Who leaked to the WSJ?

The article notes that the WSJ leak was very unethical and a breach of court trust (are you disputing that?), but the leak of the opinion was an historical breach:

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That leak was a historically unprecedented violation of the deepest and most solemn trust among the justices and the court’s staff. It wounded the institution.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:54 am to
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The President is now endorsing the targeting of Supreme Court justices. The Executive Branch is now publicly targeting the Judicial Branch.”


What did Biden say/do?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140407 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:55 am to
It’s also possible that a leftist clerking for a “conservative“ justice is the leaker.

They don’t all have clerks that think as they do.
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 8:58 am
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:55 am to
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Exactly. It's muddying the water. It gives Justice Roberts plausible deniability to do nothing if the leaker is outed. It also cast blame on "both sides" if the leaker is never outed.


No analysis is acceptable unless the analysis says what I want to hear!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:56 am to
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The President is now endorsing the targeting of Supreme Court justices. The Executive Branch is now publicly targeting the Judicial Branch.”
Could you link to this endorsement, please?

TIA
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:57 am to
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It’s also possible that a leftist clerking for a “conservative “ justice.

They don’t all have clerks that think as they do.






Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:59 am to
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In fact, conservatives are typically very principled when it comes to ethics and the institution.


Man...at one time...yeah.
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