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Interesting article on the racial wealth gap. (lots of data inside, might offend people)

Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:22 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:22 pm
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t’s not looking good for the progressive narrative about the racial wealth gap. Still, there is a kernel of truth to it. Researchers at Brandeis followed a nationally representative set of 1,700 families from 1984 to 2009 and measured their wealth gains over that period. They concluded that inherited wealth and length of homeownership accounted for 5 percent and 27 percent, respectively, of the racial disparity in wealth gains. But even if that combined 32 percent could be automatically ascribed to historical racism (which it cannot), that would still leave 68 percent of the gap to be explained by other factors. In short, many commentators have zoomed in on the fraction of the story that can be told without discomfort but have ignored the rest.


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No element of culture harms black wealth accrual more directly than spending patterns. Nielsen, one of the world’s leading market research firms, keeps extensive data on American consumer behavior, broken down demographically. A 2017 Nielsen report found that, compared to white women, black women were 14 percent more likely to own a luxury vehicle, 16 percent more likely to purchase costume jewelry, and 9 percent more likely to purchase fine jewelry. A similar Nielsen report from 2013 found that, while only 62 percent of all Americans owned a smartphone, 71 percent of blacks owned one. Moreover, all of these spending differences were unconditional on wealth and income.


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To what extent do poor spending habits explain the persistence of the wealth gap? Economists at the University of Chicago and the University of Pennsylvania asked this question after analyzing 16 years of nationally representative data from the Consumer Expenditure Survey. Consistent with the Nielsen data, they found that blacks with comparable incomes to whites spent 17 percent less on education, and 32 percent more (an extra $2300 per year in 2005 dollars) on ‘visible goods’—defined as cars, jewelry, and clothes. What’s more, “after controlling for visible spending,” they concluded that the “wealth gap between Blacks and Whites, conditional on permanent income, declines by 50 percent.” To be clear, that 50 percent figure doesn’t pertain to the total wealth gap, but to the proportion of the gap that remains after income is taken into account—which was 40 percent. The upshot: the fact that blacks spent more on cars, jewelry, and clothes explained fully 20 percent of the total racial wealth gap.


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Researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis followed over 40,000 families from 1989 to 2013, tracking their wealth accumulation and financial decisions. They developed a financial health scale, ranging from 0 to 5, that measured the degree to which families made “routine financial health choices that contribute to wealth accumulation”—e.g., saving any amount of money, paying credit card bills on time, having a low debt-to-income ratio, etc. At 3.12, Asian families scored the highest, followed by whites at 3.11, Hispanics at 2.71, and blacks at 2.63.


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they asked if education accounted for the differences in financial habits by limiting the comparison to middle-aged families with advanced degrees. Surprisingly, they found that the racial gap in financial health-scores didn’t shrink; it widened. Highly-educated Asian families scored 3.49, comparable whites scored 3.38, comparable Hispanics scored 2.94, and comparable blacks remained far behind at 2.66. Thus, the study authors concluded, neither “periodic shortages of time or money” nor “lower educational attainment” were the driving forces behind the differences in financial decision-making.


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Just like no person is born knowing how to brew beer or play basketball, no person is born knowing how to build wealth. These skills must be taught. And just like some cultures teach beer-brewing or basketball-playing better than others, some cultures teach wealth-building better. Children from one culture may routinely hear phrases like “asset diversification,” “mutual fund,” and “inflation rate” on the lips of their parents, whereas children from another culture may not hear such phrases until adulthood, if they ever hear them at all. More importantly, those who believe they are helping black Americans—or any demographic group—succeed by encouraging them to blame society are mistaken. Talking honestly about harmful behavioral patterns is the only way to reliably correct them.


LINK

It's not in this article, but I am trying to find it, but I once read that white children in the poorest income cohort had MORE WORDS READ TO THEM by their parents than black children in the top 20% of American households. Seems to mesh well with this article's data.
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16285 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:25 pm to
It's behavioral and not systematic. I could have told them that when I was 12 years old.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112617 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:25 pm to
Sounds like we need more programs
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72065 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:26 pm to
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Talking honestly about harmful behavioral patterns is the only way to reliably correct them.
No shite.
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16285 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:27 pm to
But that might hurt someone's feelings telling them it's not someone else's fault. It's just easier to write a check with someone else's money.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 12:28 pm
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:27 pm to
But muh reparations
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22353 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:30 pm to
One example of this can be seen with shoes. My sons both get shite at school from black friends because they only have two pair of sneakers they wear and both are the 50-70 dollar type (they also have old ones for yard work). I don’t know what these children’s parents make, but statistics say it’s likely less than my wife and I do. We just don’t spend hundreds of dollars on sneakers per season.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112467 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:33 pm to
Great post. It's all boiled down to instant gratification vs. short term pain for long term gain.

I am thankful that I was born into poverty. The stress of not knowing if there would be food made saving money easier just to give me peace of mind.

My childhood habits still amuse my wife.

Me: "These nail clippers don't work anymore."
Her: "Buy some new ones. And if you say 'money doesn't grow on trees' I'll slap you."



Posted by lsu1919
Member since May 2017
3244 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:37 pm to
I taught high school in 2 different inner city schools. Kids who had one pair of pants and one school shirt to wear everyday had a different pair of $200 shoes for each day of the week.

As someone told me when I first started, you’ll see, they like shiny things.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21874 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:37 pm to
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One example of this can be seen with shoes. My sons both get shite at school from black friends because they only have two pair of sneakers they wear and both are the 50-70 dollar type (they also have old ones for yard work). I don’t know what these children’s parents make, but statistics say it’s likely less than my wife and I do. We just don’t spend hundreds of dollars on sneakers per season.


Which is smart because someone would just steal them.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22353 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:41 pm to
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I taught high school in 2 different inner city schools. Kids who had one pair of pants and one school shirt to wear everyday had a different pair of $200 shoes for each day of the week. As someone told me when I first started, you’ll see, they like shiny things.


According to my sons people are always in the bathroom cleaning their shoes. They have “white boy shoes” as the white parts rarely stay “fresh and clean” for long. I guess if I paid a fortune for shoes that won’t fit in 6 months I’d be on them to keep em clean.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26638 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:42 pm to
Summary for those TL/DR types: culcha.

Explains why 10 black guys raided a North Face store. All about status symbols and bling.
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:59 pm to
This is why they ruined Cadillac
Posted by crazyatthecamp
Member since Nov 2006
2100 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:00 pm to
It's all about the bling.

In talking habits. Dress habits. Sports habits. Music choices.

That is the predominant AA culture.

Kids that reject that culture and focus on internally being a good student, delayed gratification, and not getting their sense of worth from shoes or phones do much better.

Yes we have an achievement gap. We also have a behavior gap.

If we didn't have an achievement gap things wouldn't be fair based on the differences in behaviors and cultural expectations!

Gotta change the culture.

God bless Candice Owens!
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24747 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:02 pm to
Black females have way more than their share of gubment jobs vs their overall population #'s in relation to everyone else.
Posted by Kjun Tiger
Member since Dec 2014
2147 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:08 pm to
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It's all about the bling.


Are you insinuating my new swangers are a poor investment?

GTFO kraka!

Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17461 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:12 pm to
Research conducted by The University of Chicago, Penn and the Fed....the MSM will be asking what next, you going too cite Virginia College Ascetics Program?
Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
9147 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:22 pm to
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Talking honestly about harmful behavioral patterns is the only way to reliably correct them.


You will be accused of being racist for doing this.

Remember when that politician pointed out not everyone needs a smart phone or the latest one and he was called a racist.....
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24747 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:24 pm to
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not everyone needs a smart phone


I had a flip phone and the same battery for 9 years. Several people I know went through about 6 or 7 phones during that same time-frame.

Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5344 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:43 pm to
The article illustrates a few reasons why the war on poverty has been an abject failure. The premise that poor people, particularly black people, are financially savvy and frugal is beyond wrong. No one really needs an article or study to know that, just go out and look around. I've seen many examples from high school to today at work and to me, alot of that starts at the home.

Its what's hard to explain to the bleeding hearts out there that don't do so to understand. If you really want to help, you have to instill the policies, culture and discipline necessary for them to better themselves.


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