re: Indians are stealing tech industry jobs from Americans like Mexicans take blue collar jobs

3 of my 4 next door neighbours here in SW Portland are Indian immigrants and they are amazing people. All multi millionaires and work for Intel, Nike, etc. This one bloke has 33 patents to his name and he drives a shitty 15 year old Toyota Camry. Fantastic family.

His kids (~ 6th and 9th grade or so) are indoctrinated AF by the schools out here is my only criticism.

The family next to us is Indian and they seem fine in my interactions with them, but you go to Costco here and they walk at the speed of fricking smell, they let their kids run wild and they act like the most entitled damn people on earth.

Still the main issue is they depress American wages and they don’t do nearly as good of job overall. Especially the ones that are just over here on visas.

It’s a house of cards. The demographic complained about in the OP will have spoiled kids within a generation or two. They are not special.

I have been in the IT industry for almost 40 years. Everything you said is 100% correct. We lived in Frisco and I started with EDS back in the late 80s. I now work for a late global company based in DFW. Our CIO and half of the IT VP's are Indian. We probably are at at least 50% Indian in our IT staff if not more. All of this happened and changed within the last 2-3 years. The part about hiring other Indians based upon cast and other factors is absolutely true. Glad I am getting close to retirement age. If I could tell anyone who was about to graduate HS, I would recommend them get a skilled labor job (ie. plumber, electrician, welder, ) go to a vo tech and get associates degree where you can learn basics about a business and work enough until you can start your own company. That's the future IMO.

I’m an engineer for a steel fabricator and most of our work is for downstream O&G industry (refineries). A lot of the companies, especially Exxon and Shell, sub out their engineering to EPCs using Indians.

I’ll spare going on the extremely long and vicious rant that they deserve, but I’ve come to detest them. They have no common sense on how to address unforeseen issues, rely entirely on specifications and are unable to determine when they are not applicable, or the circumstance calls for modifications, and they mark up our drawings, calcs, and other procedures in mind numbingly stupid ways.

I’m convinced the oil companies are not evaluating their cost savings correctly with the big picture. These problems frequently lead to schedule delays and a dozen other accumulated problems that end up being expensive on the back end. This subject makes me quite angry. And I haven’t even gotten into any of the cultural stereotypes.

It’s the same story in every field lol. They were like 6 times cheaper than even an intern at public accounting firms, but I was like they screw up timing and they are causing the more valuable high dollar hour people work fixing their shite or if you want to argue they come on when we go off and all that I’d get on in the morning meet with them to find out they didn’t understand some wrinkle in the data so they just stood down for 8 hours. I then have to figure out the solution make a fricking guide on the new problem and then have a second meeting later in the day as they come on to explain it.

All while if we just used an intern I’d have the damn shite done in less than a day because they can raise their hand when they have an issue.

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I’m convinced the oil companies are not evaluating their cost savings correctly with the big picture.

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It's because execs have no clue what they are doing.

Middle management is full of suckups who tell them they are wonderful.

Middle management survives by not saying anything is wrong.

We had pages and pages of documents with snippets on very basic things.

I’m like these are things I could show the interns on teams they can see it once and roll with it and probably build a guide. Instead we proposed having managers build it, I always delegated it down after the second time of having to build one.

We probably had one good one on that team, but even then she still couldn’t make any move without it being specifically written into the task. It’s really like working with AI but it’s AI that doesn’t adapt it just does a repetitive task. Which surprise surprise in the real world even in tax compliance it’s not a lot of the same thing. Forms change, rules change slightly, a young staff of intern probably just adapts the calculation takes a stab at it or raises hand immediately. Off shore worker absolutely not.

I’ve also had one where I came into work and she had been there for like 90 minutes, no work was done because the sun was shining in the window above the door onto her computer. I get in and she tells me she can’t work because of it, I’m looking around like you sit in an empty pack of cubes, move to another desk not in the sun. She won’t do it, so I get a chair and tape shite over the window. I had to get a chair and cover the window.

The lack of problem solving by the visa level Indians is insanely bad.

On the other hand one of my friends is Indian and absolutely a genius in really technical stuff and a go getter.

6. Have useful idiots like rogertheshrubber carry your water for you in the name of conservatism