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re: I'm interested in the opinions of fellow conservatives on the Chauvin jury findings
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:53 pm to L.A.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:53 pm to L.A.
I don't know all the technicalities of the charges but I do know that Chauvin did shitty police work at the very least and it's reasonable to believe he bore some responsibility for Floyd's death. I did not watch or follow the trial very closely, though.
Ultimately I don't think he had a chance in hell of getting a fair trial and I think politicians and the mob basically assured that he would be convicted because no juror in their right mind would risk going against it. This is a major problem, and they are already trying to do it again in the shooting of the attempted murderer from yesterday.
Ultimately I don't think he had a chance in hell of getting a fair trial and I think politicians and the mob basically assured that he would be convicted because no juror in their right mind would risk going against it. This is a major problem, and they are already trying to do it again in the shooting of the attempted murderer from yesterday.
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:55 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:watch the whole nine minutes (look for crowd chatter and Chauvin's reactions)
Chauvin was distracted by that crowd
Colonel Flagg: Explain
quote:watch the whole nine minutes (look for crowd chatter and Chauvin's reactions)
his ego got the best of him
Colonel Flagg: Explain
quote:watch the whole nine minutes (look for crowd chatter and Chauvin's reactions)
He seemed to want to prove something
Colonel Flagg: Explain
quote:watch the final three minutes of the nine minutes
brutalized by a police officer
Colonel Flagg: Explain
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:57 pm to VADawg
When did he swallow them? It takes more then 9 or 10 minutes for that shite to cause an overdose.
If he did have the effects of the fentanyl by then,It would have to be a high amount if he was an opiate addict.his tolerance would be pretty high.
Opiates like fentanyl when taken in extrene excess can slow your breathing so I think the combo of him having the knee to his neck and having the fentanyl in him,if it was even kicked in by then,is what killed him.
I doubt he would have died if it was just one or the other.
Either way I dont understand how the cops that were with chauvin didnt say,"dude,hes already handcuffed, get the frick of his neck" ,how is it that they didnt get charged too?
This is from a conservative,but it was an overuse of force and that cant even be argued. It's hard to come up with a reason to say that the cop was just doing his job.
The thing I dont like though,is that black people seem to think that the verdict means that its proof that chauvin did that BECAUSE floyd was black.
That guy is a shitty cop,obviously, and I'd be surprised if he didnt treat white people like shite too and use excessive force on them as well.
He seems like an equal opportunity dickhhead
If he did have the effects of the fentanyl by then,It would have to be a high amount if he was an opiate addict.his tolerance would be pretty high.
Opiates like fentanyl when taken in extrene excess can slow your breathing so I think the combo of him having the knee to his neck and having the fentanyl in him,if it was even kicked in by then,is what killed him.
I doubt he would have died if it was just one or the other.
Either way I dont understand how the cops that were with chauvin didnt say,"dude,hes already handcuffed, get the frick of his neck" ,how is it that they didnt get charged too?
This is from a conservative,but it was an overuse of force and that cant even be argued. It's hard to come up with a reason to say that the cop was just doing his job.
The thing I dont like though,is that black people seem to think that the verdict means that its proof that chauvin did that BECAUSE floyd was black.
That guy is a shitty cop,obviously, and I'd be surprised if he didnt treat white people like shite too and use excessive force on them as well.
He seems like an equal opportunity dickhhead
Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:59 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
The question is whether he thought he was doing his job properly restraining him or not. Maybe I missed it, but I do not understand how that was determined.
Is that the question? He was not charged with bad police work, but with the death of Floyd.*
As a guy that normally sides against police in these cases, my first instinct is to try and look for ways that LEOs could have done something differently. In this case, it seems clear that they could have jammed his arse in the car more forcefully at first instead of allowing him to dictate that he wanted to be put on the pavement. Once down there, Chauvin could have rolled him over after a bit I'd think...but this is me Monday morning QBing with no experience personally.
But as I've seen someone who allowed someone to do this to him and easily survived, I have no doubt that there was a reasonable doubt as to whether or not Chauvin was directly responsible for Floyd's death and the far more likely reasons for his death were Floyd's own health issues and drug intake.
* Just to be clear, this was not meant to be a shot at you.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:00 pm to L.A.
I'm the wrong person to ask. I was raised in the 1950s with very simple advice from my parents:
'If the police tell you to do something, do it or they have the right to kill you dead right there.'
Were they telling me the truth? Uh, in 1950s New Iberia, yes they were. There was no crime.
'If the police tell you to do something, do it or they have the right to kill you dead right there.'
Were they telling me the truth? Uh, in 1950s New Iberia, yes they were. There was no crime.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:02 pm to Tigerpride18
quote:
Either way I dont understand how the cops that were with chauvin didnt say,"dude,hes already handcuffed, get the frick of his neck" ,how is it that they didnt get charged too?
they have been charged with aiding and abetting both murder and manslaughter. but you kinda gotta prove there was murder or manslaughter before you can be charged with aiding and abetting it.
there were at least 2 instances DC's partner(s) asked him about de-escalating his force and altering his restraint.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:02 pm to Tigerpride18
quote:they are facing charges
Either way I dont understand how the cops that were with chauvin didnt say,"dude,hes already handcuffed, get the frick of his neck" ,how is it that they didnt get charged too?
quote:well stated!
The thing I dont like though,is that black people seem to think that the verdict means that its proof that chauvin did that BECAUSE floyd was black.
quote:given that NO media, no prosecutor, no democrat blacktivist, NO ONE found a single instance or utterance of racism to throw at Chauvin tells us that your instinct is correct.
That guy is a shitty cop,obviously, and I'd be surprised if he didnt treat white people like shite too and use excessive force on them as well.
He seems like an equal opportunity dickhhead
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:02 pm to Bham Bammer
Yep,its getting to the point where people are forgetting that their are cops out there that are dickheads and assault people of all colors.
Just like thugs of all colors ,their are bad cops of all colors. They got picked on in high school probably and now they want to take it out on people off all colors that have issues in life, like they are better than the addicts and people with problems, just because they may not have the same issues in life.
Just like thugs of all colors ,their are bad cops of all colors. They got picked on in high school probably and now they want to take it out on people off all colors that have issues in life, like they are better than the addicts and people with problems, just because they may not have the same issues in life.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:02 pm to Tigerpride18
quote:
Either way I dont understand how the cops that were with chauvin didnt say,"dude,hes already handcuffed, get the frick of his neck" ,how is it that they didnt get charged too?
My understanding is that they were charged and will be going to trial soon.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:03 pm to Tigerpride18
quote:
When did he swallow them? It takes more then 9 or 10 minutes for that shite to cause an overdose.
I think the prevailing thought is that he took them while he was still seated in the car when the cops arrived. Assuming that's true based on an image of his open mouth at that point.
That was nearly 20 minutes before he died I think.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:04 pm to L.A.
quote:He isn't an EMT and he wasn't driving an ambulance.
he showed an utter disregard for Floyd's life by not getting him medical attention
quote:Not true.
and by keeping his knee on Floyd's neck
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:05 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
Once down there, Chauvin could have rolled him over after a bit I'd think...but this is me Monday morning QBing with no experience personally.
thats not just you monday morning QBing. he had at least 1 partner ask about doing that twice.
quote:
I have no doubt that there was a reasonable doubt as to whether or not Chauvin was directly responsible for Floyd's death and the far more likely reasons for his death were Floyd's own health issues and drug intake.
well the medical experts and evidence disagree with you. If they thought natural causes, or accident was the manner of death they would have said so in any of the autopsies, alas they were all homicide.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:05 pm to L.A.
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but he showed an utter disregard for Floyd's life by not getting him medical attention
They called for EMS within a minute of putting him on the ground (at Floyd's request) and escalated that call a minute later.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:06 pm to SCLibertarian
I agree with the 2’nd degree manslaughter charge.When the incident was first in the news media,I wondered what Chauvin was thinking.I was on the Navy Shore Patrol in Spain and occasionally had to fight and handcuff someone.As soon as we got them under control we loaded them up and hauled arse back to the base.Last thing we wanted was to have a crowd gather around,it could get ugly pretty fast.
Then to kneel on his neck was dangerous.It’s pretty easy to compress the carotid arteries and cut off blood flow.Another danger is stimulation of the carotid sinus will cause drop in heart rate and drop in blood pressure.With the fentanyl he had on board it’s not surprising he died.Chauvin likely didn’t know about the fentanyl but surely he knew about the carotid artery issue.That’s why police aren’t allowed to do chokeholds.
Then to kneel on his neck was dangerous.It’s pretty easy to compress the carotid arteries and cut off blood flow.Another danger is stimulation of the carotid sinus will cause drop in heart rate and drop in blood pressure.With the fentanyl he had on board it’s not surprising he died.Chauvin likely didn’t know about the fentanyl but surely he knew about the carotid artery issue.That’s why police aren’t allowed to do chokeholds.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:06 pm to L.A.
quote:
rightly charged with manslaughter in the second degree. And IMO he was rightly convicted of 2nd degere manslaughter
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:06 pm to ChuckO1975
He was guilty of all counts, let me knee on your neck with you hand cuff in the prone position and let’s see what happens
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:06 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
That was nearly 20 minutes before he died I think.
they also showed video evidence of him chewing gum from the store right before that photo.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:06 pm to JPinLondon
quote:
So I'm not a lawyer, and I will screw this explanation up, but I know some lawyers, and I was informed of the "eggshell skull" concept a couple years back.
You take a "victim" as they are. Thus if someone has a blood clotting issue and you slap them in the face and cause a nosebleed and they die... your "simple assault" charge CAN/WILL be taken higher to a manslaughter or similar charge!
I have read others mention this. As I understand this is a tort concept not a criminal one, but I am not a lawyer.
On the OP, I have tried to formulate a cogent response about this issue separate from my biases from the initial video and the national outrage as well as from the pieces of testimony I have heard.
1. I am pretty convinced murder was a clear over-charge for political reasons. The Minnesota state seems a little confusing in terms of intent (vs. conventional wisdom), but there is zero evidence Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd.
2. Given the testimony of the prosecution witness that Chauvin employed a department-approved submission consistent with department-approved guidelines, I reject that a felony assault occurred.
3. All that being said, I am trying to balance the tension between it clearly seems like Chauvin should have gotten off of Floyd at least 2-3 minutes sooner, but we also lack a clear understanding of what the crowd was doing / threatening (back to #2 where the prosecution witness testified he had kept a suspect down even after the EMT's arrived if he felt threatened)
4. The autopsy did not list the submission employed as the cause of death.
5. Given all the drugs he took ... especially if he swallowed a bunch in the car ... not obvious to me he would not have been dead if simply left in the car.
I'm left with a strong desire that things should have been done differently but not obvious a literal crime occurred.
Given the Daniel Shaver incident, I'm pretty sure he's not even fired if Floyd is white.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:10 pm to L.A.
First time I've ever heard of one man causing one other man's death and then getting convicted of 3 different murder charges. This should rightfully be appealed.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:11 pm to VADawg
That is a lie, he had a low dose of fentanyl in his system, let me kneel on your neck for 9 minutes
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