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re: I'm going to say the same thing I have always said about the Epstein files
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:46 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:46 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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It's readily obvious at this point that if we all knew about what happened and how it was being used to pull the levers of power it would completely end multiple governments in the world.
Well, that’s wild conjecture also. My conjecture is that there are a whole bunch of powerful Johns who were getting laid on that island.
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:47 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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And I'm sorry I still want to know how the hell you convict somebody of trafficking girls without identifying any of the clients?
Because selling isn’t the only option for trafficking. Look at Louisiana’s law, for example:
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A. It shall be unlawful: (1)(a) For any person to knowingly recruit, harbor, transport, provide, solicit, sell, receive, isolate, entice, obtain, patronize, procure, purchase, hold, restrain, induce, threaten, subject, or maintain the use of another person through fraud, force, or coercion to provide services or labor.
Several of these can be shown without identifying clients.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:47 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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I still want to know how the hell you convict somebody of trafficking girls without identifying any of the clients? That would require the worst defense attorney in the history of defense attorneys
Because it's not actually that hard to convict someone
Most people believe you're guilty if you're there off the bat
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:48 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Something about them is obviously worse than anybody is thinking about. Frankly it seems pretty obvious that something about them goes beyond the sex Island and anything that happened there.
In all likelihood, Epstein was working for the CIA and they were using his island as a honeytrap Mecca to blackmail a slew of people.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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Then release it all
I agree. The reason for my post was basically that I think most people have somehow convinced themselves of two things. First that it's only about the sex. And second that it's mostly people from the side they don't like.
I think that first it's barely got anything to do with the sex. It's got more to do with how that information was used to manipulate the levers of power. And second. I think the manipulation extends not just to the people directly guilty of the sex crimes but to other people who facilitated the manipulation of the levers of power
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:49 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
There are names of people implicated as possible clients that are in the public domain from the trial already (Richardson, Dershowitz etc)
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:49 pm to Penrod
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Well, that’s wild conjecture also. My conjecture is that there are a whole bunch of powerful Johns who were getting laid on that island.
And if this is true there is absolutely 0% chance it wasn't used against them at some future date
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:50 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
So let’s say they release the list. Let’s say it’s 200+ people, celebrities, politicians, world leaders, CEO’s.
Do they also have video evidence of it? Maybe for some, likely not for all or many.
Do they have DNA evidence? Probably even less.
So what is the goal after the release is put on Twitter. Does everyone just assume that a list is enough to prosecute AND convict these pieces of shite or is there a possibly they walk?
This should turn into a massive prosecution with no or likely little guarantee that they xan actually put people in jail because of it. This means 100’s of victims from decades ago being brought into the spotlight for years during live televised trials and everyone will know their identity.
There are many moving parts to all of this, because no one ever stops to ask what the next steps are after releasing a list.
None of know what they have and what they don’t have.
None of us know if it’s enough to use as blackmail right now.
Nothing would make me happier than both Bill and Hillary getting justice for all of the harm they have caused. The only explanation is that they don’t have enough on them to convict
Do they also have video evidence of it? Maybe for some, likely not for all or many.
Do they have DNA evidence? Probably even less.
So what is the goal after the release is put on Twitter. Does everyone just assume that a list is enough to prosecute AND convict these pieces of shite or is there a possibly they walk?
This should turn into a massive prosecution with no or likely little guarantee that they xan actually put people in jail because of it. This means 100’s of victims from decades ago being brought into the spotlight for years during live televised trials and everyone will know their identity.
There are many moving parts to all of this, because no one ever stops to ask what the next steps are after releasing a list.
None of know what they have and what they don’t have.
None of us know if it’s enough to use as blackmail right now.
Nothing would make me happier than both Bill and Hillary getting justice for all of the harm they have caused. The only explanation is that they don’t have enough on them to convict
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:51 pm to Pettifogger
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There are names of people implicated as possible clients that are in the public domain from the trial already (Richardson, Dershowitz etc)
And there’s police records in Florida that Trump was questioned and found not involved. He’s still tied to it though. And there’s a doc on Netflix about it.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:51 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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And second that it's mostly people from the side they don't like.
I personally don't care about that. If you are a politician, I am already less inclined to like you.
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I think that first it's barely got anything to do with the sex. It's got more to do with how that information was used to manipulate the levers of power
Of course it is a honeypot. In fact, we also know at whose behest this information was collected.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:52 pm to dnm3305
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filesby dnm3305
So let’s say they release the list. Let’s say it’s 200+ people, celebrities, politicians, world leaders, CEO’s.
Do they also have video evidence of it? Maybe for some, likely not for all or many.
Do they have DNA evidence? Probably even less.
I feel like I must not be being clear. The evidence of the sex isn't going to be the biggest problem. The evidence of how the knowledge of the sex was used is what would drive everything Underground
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:53 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
Worse than world leaders fricking children on video?
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:53 pm to momentoftruth87
Yeah my point is just that i think it’s entirely possible that we’ve gotten, in bits and pieces, most of the stuff that’s out there.
And if so, millions will be disappointed even though it includes a governor, famous professor, hedge fund manager and a president.
And if so, millions will be disappointed even though it includes a governor, famous professor, hedge fund manager and a president.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:53 pm to dnm3305
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Nothing would make me happier than both Bill and Hillary getting justice for all of the harm they have caused. The only explanation is that they don’t have enough on them to convict
Or
Actually convicting anyone who mattered would open the can of worms. I mean let's just say for the sake of argument that they got enough evidence to convict Bill and Hillary. Do you think those two would just March off to jail without spilling every last tiny bit of information they knew about every single other person involved? You would have to Epstein those motherfrickers really fast
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:55 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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They convicted a woman of trafficking in underage girls and in what must be a first in world history she was guilty of trafficking girls to nobody.
This isn’t true.
And I used to say this.
Her charges were trafficking girls to Epstein.
Procuring them and being in the room with them and even getting naked first to make them comfortable. For Epstein.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:56 pm to dgnx6
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Worse than world leaders fricking children on video
Finally out a world leader fricked kids just means you found out about one bad guy. Very bad of course but it's one bad thing. But finding out that because that world leader fricked kids he was forced to do tons of bad shite worldwide would be entirely another thing. What if that person is a Supreme Court Justice whose votes could get bought? What if that is a president Who could be forced to veto certain things. What if it provoked War by preventing people from voting against it? The list of possibilities is endless. Especially if the number of people who are in Jeopardy is large
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:57 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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It clearly affects enough people worldwide to create a massive wall of Silence.
Definitely. Both sides. How did that dude have a 727 for his personal aircraft?
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:57 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
No, kidnapping children to have sex with them is the worst part.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:58 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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It's readily obvious at this point that if we all knew about what happened and how it was being used to pull the levers of power it would completely end multiple governments in the world.
Wow! That bad?
Posted on 6/5/25 at 6:59 pm to dgnx6
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No, kidnapping children to have sex with them is the worst part.
It might be the most vile Act but it's not the kind of thing that'll bring down a government. But if the public figures out that enough people supposedly in charge committed that act that those people are now no longer in charge of their own decisions that affect the rest of us. That's entirely another thing
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