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Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:29 am to JuiceTerry
quote:So, what you are saying is you are judging all "white people" just because you know of 3 instances? That doesn't seem to be right and some people don't like it when they are lumped in because of the actions of a few. I think you know what I mean, I hope.
Those are just the ones I have heard about, but each one was a white girl from a wealthy family who believed their family wouldn't have been happy if they had the child
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:31 am to Eli Goldfinger
False equivalency.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:44 am to Eli Goldfinger
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I’m a bit concerned about this abortion thing
So are the babies.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:45 am to JuiceTerry
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I know of 3 women (younger at the time) who had abortions
One in Alabama, one in Louisiana, and one in Florida
Those are just the ones I have heard about, but each one was a white girl from a wealthy family who believed their family wouldn't have been happy if they had the child
Sure, I believe your story. It's not like you're a lying POS.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:51 am to BamaAtl
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Thinking that the Founders envisioned every American owning a weapon capable of firing dozens of rounds a minute with no oversight might be the dumbest thing you've said here, and there's a long line.
I'm convinced you are one of the dumbest posters on TD.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 10:51 am to Eli Goldfinger
Will they have "last chance abortion clinics" on Hwy 59 and I-10 entering Alabama from Mississippi?
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:02 am to Crow Pie
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Will they have "last chance abortion clinics" on Hwy 59 and I-10 entering Alabama from Mississippi?
"THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO KILL YOUR BABY FOR THE NEXT 200 MILES. BETTER STOP NOW."
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:07 am to MisslePig
No. Not all abortion. Exceptions include lethal abnormality, and health of mother (including mental health).
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:54 pm to Vecchio Cane
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Justice Blackmun purported to find the constitutional right to abortion in the 14th Amendment, which says that no state can “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” How does this support aborting a fetus? No explanation has ever been given
I have never been comfortable with the idea that the Constitution might address a woman's right to an abortion, but you are oversimplifying the legal rationale the Court used to get there. Some legal scholars obviously disagree with the decision -- most notably the 2 Justices who dissented -- but to say the right was created without explanation is a bit much.
We all have a Constitutionally protected right to personal liberty. You can find this right either in the Substantive Due Process rights guaranteed to all individuals in the 14th Amendment, and in the Fifth Amendment which is applied to the States via the 14th Amendment. The Right to Liberty has been expanded to be a right to personal privacy, i.e, a right to be left alone, based on the prohibitions against government intrusion found in Amendment 1-5.
When I was younger, I wasn't comfortable with the recognition of rights that are not expressly spelled out in the Constitution, but then I gave thought to the 9th Amendment, which Justice Douglas relied on in his concurring opinion. The 9th Amendment expressly states that we have rights that are not enumerated in the Bill of Rights, and that those rights are just as powerful as the ones that are spelled out.
I think most people agree that we have a right to personal privacy in this country...and I also think that most people agree you should have a right to choose most medical procedures without governmental interference (other than governmental oversight of the medical profession).
So then we are just left with the question of whether an abortion falls within the right to personal privacy in matters involving medical procedures, which is all guaranteed to us by our Constitution.
The Roe v. Wade Court tried to balance the rights of the mother against the rights of the unborn fetus -- and IMHO did not do a very good job of that -- but that is the point at which religion and science come to a head rather than legal rationale.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:57 pm to DemonKA3268
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Rational: 1.based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
Which, as I said, the OP lacked when building his false choice.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:02 pm to Dday63
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but you are oversimplifying the legal rationale the Court used to get there
Not the court, Justice Blackmun. His opinion is where the whole thing went to crap.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:09 pm to BamaAtl
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If you'd like to have a civil discussion, it helps to start with a rational basis.
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"We're going crazy and imposing our sharia law in Alabama
My favorite post in this thread. You are such an idiot.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:14 pm to JuiceTerry
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I know of 3 women (younger at the time) who had abortions
One in Alabama, one in Louisiana, and one in Florida
Those are just the ones I have heard about, but each one was a white girl from a wealthy family
Ignoring the fact that you're lying, this very common anecdote from abortion supporters flies in the face of their argument that limiting abortions will only create more trashy leeches.
Those rich white privileged kids probably would have been productive tax payers covering for 3 leeching poor kids who also wouldn't be aborted.
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And illustrates the whole "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality that pervades the supposed morally superior citizenry that claims to care so much for the unborn.
Explain this. The group you clearly loathe is the only one fighting to limit abortion. Unless you're suggesting the laws being pushed exempt rich white people.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:16 pm to BamaAtl
quote:You should really stop using words you don't understand. You have no clue what logic or reason is, just emotional responses. No one cares about your feelings.
Which, as I said, the OP lacked when building his false choice.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 1:37 pm to Eli Goldfinger
So Abortion = Gun Control now? Stop trying to create parallels out of thin air. Just stop wasting everybody's time.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:25 pm to BamaAtl
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Nobody has proposed taking your guns.
Trump has.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:28 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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One Dem narrative during the Kavanaugh hearings was that Republicans were planning to come after Roe v Wade.
Considering what CJ Roberts had been up to with his "independent judiciary" trip, unless POTUS gets another SCOTUS appointment to supplement the 4 originalists, Roe's likely not gonna be overturned Roberts will screw shite up like he always does
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:32 pm to DemonKA3268
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No one cares about your feelings.
Maybe one day Republicans will take this to heart, and stop trying to use their feelings to pass unconstitutional laws.
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:41 pm to BamaAtl
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Obviously SCOTUS is fallible, but 40 years of precedent over multiple courts despite a plethora of targeted challenges by the theocrats shows that Roe was founded on firm footing.
Roe was founded on a bullshite theory about a general right to privacy being untouchable per the Evolving Constitutionalist majority justices of the Warren Court in Griswold v. Connecticut despite that neither the text nor design of the Constitution addresses such a thing, a point the great Hugo Black and Potter Stewart made abundantly clear in their dissents, once that inane door was opened and then doubled down on in Eisenstadt (surprisingly Stewart joined with the majority, Black had passed RIP), Roe was basically an inevitability. It's the most stupid shite I've ever read.
ETA: btw nice circular logic
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