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re: If your business is open to the public, you have to serve everyone!

Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by Vdrine
Big Bad Baz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:42 pm to
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Not serving baking someone gay is bigoted. Shutting down hateful points of view is a moral distinction.


Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:42 pm to
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Just looking at the groups we have seen shut down so for, most look to be White Supremacist groups if I'm not mistaken? Could and should Antifa also be kicked off these websites and considered a hate group?

Well. Given that in 2017, ANTIFA is 100x worse......

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I'm not even saying I agree because I'm probably the biggest 1st amendment guy on this board. I don't think anyone should be banned on TD. 

I subscribe to absolute freedom of speech

And i hold it as a core value. I don't cop out with the "well they aren't arresting you" rhetoric

This is what makes me and others like me VASTLY better human beings than most liberals.

VASTLY better
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:42 pm to
George Karlin would kick your arse.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:43 pm to
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I don't think gays are a protected class according to the Constitution?
They are under the Oregon Equality Act of 2007
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:44 pm to
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George Karlin would kick your arse.


No but George Carlin probably would...
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141573 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:45 pm to
They both would.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:47 pm to
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Not serving or baking for someone who that's gay is bigoted. Shutting down hateful points of view is a moral distinction.



Woof
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:48 pm to
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They are under the Oregon Equality Act of 2007


Yea, but that's not what I'm talking about. They are not afforded special treatment or consideration because of their sexual preference. This law simply states they cant be discriminated against.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:49 pm to
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They both would.


I really miss George Carlin, he was my favorite comedian and quite honestly had a huge political influence on me.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:50 pm to
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This law simply states they can be discriminated against.
There is zero valid reason why any form of private discrimination against ANYONE should be illegal.

Zero
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:55 pm to
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But don't those tech companies have conduct policies before people sign on to use product?

If they do, that sounds like discrimination to me...straight up. Is that kind of bigotry still legal in 2017????
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:56 pm to
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This law simply states they can be discriminated against.

I think you mean can't. And when you refuse service on the basis of someone's sexuality, which the bakers stupidly admitted to, then you're in violation of that law.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:57 pm to
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There is zero valid reason why any form of private discrimination against ANYONE should be illegal.


I respectfully disagree with you on that point. Not allowing someone access to groceries or a restaurant etc., like we saw during Jim Crow is wrong on so many levels but continue.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:58 pm to
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I respectfully disagree with you on that point. Not allowing someone access to groceries or a restaurant etc., like we saw during Jim Crow is wrong on so many levels but continue

Jim Crow was law.

At least know what you oppose
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 3:59 pm to
Correct - Juice I mistyped, thanks for pointing that out.

Also, that goes for straight people, asexual Hispanics - whatever.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 4:00 pm to
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They are under the Oregon Equality Act of 2007

That law is unconstitutional...a ploy by the bigots to keep certain people out. Bigotry, straight up.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 4:02 pm to
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Jim Crow was law.

At least know what you oppose


Rob, I know it was law but it was also unconstitutional...
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 4:07 pm to
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That law is unconstitutional.
I'm sure the bakers are challenging it
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a ploy by the bigots to keep certain people out. Bigotry, straight up.
You're confused
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425838 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 4:07 pm to
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And when you refuse service on the basis of someone's sexuality,


so your argument is some discrimination is OK but other discrimination is n'OK?

reminds me of something....

Posted by JuiceTerry
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Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 4:09 pm to
It's not my argument, Slo. It's the state of Oregon's argument.

I realize this board hates inconvenient facts and their messengers, though.

As I explained earlier, my argument would be all discrimination is OK by private business
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 4:14 pm
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